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Model Technical and Interest => Aprilia, Ardennes and Ardea => Topic started by: simonandjuliet on 09 May, 2022, 06:23:32 PM



Title: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 09 May, 2022, 06:23:32 PM
The Ardea camioncino arrived today, it is very, very cute.

It is a car destined to work in our vineyards (it was designed for this sort of work) and I aim to keep it looking rough, but fully functioning so it will be the "Quasimodo" to my Appia furgoncino's "Esmeralda", which I use for local deliveries and markets

I know very little about Ardeas so as I learn, I will update this post, but please add to it as well !!


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 09 May, 2022, 07:00:56 PM
Very nice Simon!
The Girgio NADA Editore Lancia Ardea e Appia book lists production numbers and chassis numbers for the Ardea Furgoncino & Camioncino:-
Furgoncino 1945 - 1953 type 550 7120 made. Chassis numbers 1001 to 8130
Camioncino 1948 - 1952 type 650 100 made, Chassis numbers 1001 to 2600

Engines type 100A from Furgoncino 3170 (No mention of Camioncino),
type 100B from Furgoncino 4385 & Camioncino 2194.
12volt electrics from number 3170.

Oude Weernink's LaLancia lists  chassis numbers 2nd series Furgoncino 1945 - 1949 type 550 1010 to 4384, 4th series Furgoncino 1949 - 1953 type 550 4385 to 8130.
2nd series Camioncino 1948 -1949 type 650 1001 to 2193 4th series Camioncino 1949 - 1953 2194 to 2600

Looking at these figures it appears that there were two series of Ardea Furgoncino and Camioncino, either 2nd series or 4th series.

Being pedantic the commercial vehicles based on the Ardea were called the 800, not Ardea. You will see this on the rear number plate lamp, the left hand side says Lancia and the right hand side says 800. see photos.


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: tzf60 on 10 May, 2022, 03:38:53 PM
Unbelievably cute it certainly is, Simon 😊
And a fabulous compliment to the working fleet!!
 
Tim


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 10 May, 2022, 04:09:53 PM
Thanks for that Ade, I am still working my way through the numbers .... mine is 5 speed with a 100A engine

I read somewhere that they are called "800" because that's the official carrying capacity in kgs, but I have never seen the rear lenses before

I drove it around the yard yesterday - brakes disconnected so everyone kept out of the way. Brakes look very similar to Aprilia so hopefully I should have some bits on the shelf

Tim, I can't wait to try it out in the vines, fantastic ground clearance on those 16" wheels


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: chriswgawne on 11 May, 2022, 02:14:35 PM
That looks very purposeful Simon. Its had quite a journey over the last few years hasnt it? Will it fit between the rows of vines like some of the other vehicles you have?
Chris


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 30 June, 2022, 03:50:39 PM
Chris - we will have to wait and see, but at least we have started .....

Oils drained and rolled on its side so we can check out the metal and see if more repairs needed. So far looks very solid with previous repairs being done well (not always the prettiest !)

Couple of small repairs needed around one jacking point, plus stress fracture on inner wing

Brakes all stripped ready for a clean and new seals if necessary. They aren't leaking and the brakes worked but were binding, probably due to seized pivots. New tyres have arrived and will also be fitted


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 04 July, 2022, 12:15:49 PM
Underneath cleaned up and first coat of anti-rust (converter) paint. It looks like it will be easier to whip off the front wing so we can do the repair around the jacking point, properly


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 11 August, 2022, 02:35:54 PM
New sill and door shut made up and now has correct profile so the running board fits correctly, plus the jacking point has been remade

That has been pretty much the only welding. The rest has been done previously

Brakes all cleaned up, seals fitted and waiting to be refitted to the car. A "new" diff has been sourced in Italy and arrived today because there is a lot of backlash in the old one



Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 12 August, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Back on her (new) wheels today. I went for the same tyre as the Appia furgoncino because the profile and look are right. They are CAMAC's . Difficult to find in this size at the moment, but eventually found 5 in Holland !

I aim to keep the "used" look so this will present a challenge for Dog because a lot of the paint around the rear has had to be stripped off (by Dietlief who is somehow working in this 40 + heat)

She will be tipped over onto the other side tomorrow so we can finish off underneath and tidy up the other sill. This one is solid just needs some straightening and possibly pulling out a bit

A bit about the history of this camioncino:

Build date:Feb 11th 1949
Original gearbox, diff,steering box and everything else with a number on it - including the engine, which was a surprise because it is a 100A and I think should probably be a 100 N , so typical Lancia - "no such thing as a standard Lancia"

The info came from Centro Storico FIAT  and it will help me register the car here. Mercifully, the car was never registered in the UK so the process is much simpler


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 22 August, 2022, 05:02:56 PM
I have been asked (and I have accepted) to show the Ardea camioncino and a couple of my other cars at the Lyon classic car show this year https://epoquauto.com/fr/ (https://epoquauto.com/fr/), where Lancia have the main stand - apparently there will be 30 Lancias on the main stage

So we have some work to do !

Other cars that I will lend to the show are the Appia furgoncino and the Aprilia Cabrio - a great way of focussing the mind

So date for your diaries - 4/5/6 November in Lyon


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 25 August, 2022, 02:13:37 PM
We have tipped the camioncino onto the other side so that we can finish of the cill this side and tidy up the rest

I have decided to fit early 2CV lights with the chrome rings, they look in keeping with the original Carello front lights , a bit bigger and with separate indicators , which I suppose is no bad thing ....

Once the tatty metal was removed from the spare wheel cover, there wasn't a lot left, but the frame is good so should be relatively easy to reskin.

Overall the metalwork is very solid, just that some of the repairs have been a bit "agricultural" , so a light skim of filler to flatten out the welds and we'll leave the dents


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 August, 2022, 06:38:36 AM
I was doing a quick search for rear light options and came across a photo of my car on the Ardea club website - probably when the car was for sale at Padova in 2006

The 2CV are much nicer !



Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 02 September, 2022, 10:34:56 AM
With the front inner arch cleaned up, you can see the same stress crack behind the axle, so we'll plate this side as well - wonder if it's a general Ardea issue, or just the commercials ???

A detail showing the new underseal - it is not a classic bitumen type, but a spray PU. You need a special gun (I bought for the Appia) but it gives a nice original style "splatter" and sticks & lasts very well

Lastly, does anyone have any of these knobs for sale ? They are used on the tailgate and are missing. Otherwise I was going to try and turn a couple of them


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 03 September, 2022, 02:14:09 PM
Back to rear lights .....

Looking at the black and white photo from early publicity, I am not sure if my camioncino ever had the 2 circular lights on the spare wheel door, or the 2 Aprilia-style catch system. There was absolutely no evidence of holes or wiring on the bits we took off. There is wiring for the number plate light but no more

Maybe previous repairs removed evidence of the lights but the catch does look original - does anyone have any other photos of the back of these cars to help ?

The spare wheel door is nearly repaired, been quite a fiddly job but the neatly folded edges are very strong



Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 06 September, 2022, 05:32:52 PM
First fit for both rear doors, some details to finish .....


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 11 September, 2022, 03:27:13 PM
Welding and underside now finished and she will go back onto her "feet" tomorrow and the plan is to get paint onto the body this week .......


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: chriswgawne on 12 September, 2022, 02:24:22 PM
Nothing like a deadline for making progress Simon!


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 16 September, 2022, 01:50:17 PM
Final preparations before paint .....

It is going to be difficult to get this right because the front of the car is quite "distressed", so trying to dumb-down the paint and get the right "feel" between the 2 halves will be a challenge

I had serious thoughts about painting the whole car, but to do that would mean doing it all properly - ie taking screens out, dash apart, doors off, engine out etc etc

Then it would require a major rebuild and I wouldn't use it in the vineyard, which is its "raison d'être" , so let's see what magic Dog can weave


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 19 September, 2022, 09:55:32 AM
Masking up

Also for when moving her around a gentle reminder !!


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 22 September, 2022, 06:42:05 AM
Epoxy primer last night ...... 2 pack is tonight


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 September, 2022, 03:09:33 PM
The "inserts" have been painted in an ivory colour, but because of the matting agent it takes longer to dry, so pushed out into the late September sun

Hopefully the green tomorrow and then swap with the Aprilia Cabrio on Thursday so we can be finished this month (October !)


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 September, 2022, 03:18:44 PM
Forgot to say that I have bought the rubbers from Elvezio - obviously you don't need the rear mats and boot so that saves a lot of money !


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: williamcorke on 27 September, 2022, 04:15:50 PM
Racing along, amazing progress!

I see a B20 drying in the sun also (or pushed out because it was in the way). Is that a project you've not told us about :-)


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 28 September, 2022, 08:31:38 AM
No, the B20 is not mine but belongs to a Europe based friend and we are doing a complete strip/re-upholster/repaint for him

I oversee the projects a little bit and give some technical advice but that's as much "ownership" as I have , unfortunately. You may have spotted a 1st ser Appia and Ardea that are also in the workshop


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: davidwheeler on 28 September, 2022, 11:14:58 AM
I see at least two 2 ceeveex, my second favourite type of car.


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 September, 2022, 05:27:19 AM
Yes, they are Dog's "bread & butter" , he does ground up rebuilds to a variety of standards - the grey one was purposely "ratted" for a customer. Virtually brand new but with distressed bodywork

Prices for 2CV's are scary !


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: chriswgawne on 29 September, 2022, 09:12:07 AM
I have always believed that Elvesios rubber actually all came from Cicognani? Do you find Elvesio easier to deal with or do they still do a LMC discount?
Chris


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 September, 2022, 09:16:10 AM
Re discount, last time I tried they didn't offer one - didn't ask this time !

I find Elvezio very responsive, so tended to use them first

The very lengthy process of masking up the inserts has been done and the camioncino is going into the booth this morning



Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 September, 2022, 05:11:08 PM
Up close and personal with the black undercoat ......


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 29 September, 2022, 07:30:52 PM
So that's it, let's see how it looks when the covers come off !

Well done Dog and Dietleif


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: tzf60 on 30 September, 2022, 01:36:19 PM
Hi Simon,
I'm interested to see how you get the 'used' look that you referred to on page 1.
 
Good luck with the rest of the painting - I'm looking forward to seeing the camioncino with the covers off 😊
 
Tim F


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 30 September, 2022, 04:47:21 PM
Thanks Tim, and as may not be a surprise to many of you, we are "reviewing" the paint-situation !

What Dog has done is brilliant and has the "feel" that I'm after, but Dog isn't happy about the new/old blend ..... so we will have another look tomorrow. We may possibly look again at painting the rest of the body (without removing dents etc)- but with the work on the Cabrio, it's going to get tight for Lyon

Stay tuned !!


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 01 October, 2022, 03:03:27 PM
Busy day today - I have actually driven (ie more than 100 feet !) my Cabrio, a 38 Aprilia saloon, B20, Appia furgoncino ,Renault 4 rodeo , Renault 4 Sinpar , Ypsilon and Land Rover .... 426 year's worth of cars !!!

Plus pushed quite a few more as well

A photo of the camioncino to show the differences between new and old - Dog is REALLY keen to do the rest of the car, so that is probably what we will do, but it needs to be finished by Friday next .......

At the same time the cabrio has gone over to the workshop to have the wings painted and fitted along the final details getting done - includes the aluminium trim , lights, bumpers etc - so it's all hands on deck for the next 3 weeks

Nice little detail on the steering wheel of the Ardea


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: Raahauge on 01 October, 2022, 06:55:00 PM
Another nice little detail on both Ardeas I have owned, and which you may not have spotted, is a facility for locking the horn on by rotating the button.
Only the Italians!


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: mikeC on 02 October, 2022, 07:10:12 AM
Another nice little detail on both Ardeas I have owned, and which you may not have spotted, is a facility for locking the horn on by rotating the button.
Only the Italians!

Visions of The Italian Job's Milan traffic jam scenes comes to mind...  :D


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: frankxhv773t on 02 October, 2022, 11:12:39 AM
Also, only the Italians would have a St Christopher medallion exhorting you to "drive safely when going fast"! (Assuming I've got the gist of the text.)


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 05 October, 2022, 06:46:41 AM
Things hotting up here - couple of photos to explain

Ardea has been stripped and will be prep'ed and primed today and the Cabrio has had the front wings trial fitted ready for the trim fitting


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: tzf60 on 05 October, 2022, 08:44:56 AM
Simon,
Could this be a case of The Dog wagging the tail for once ??? 🐶
 
There is some amount of work going on over there!
 
Can't wait to see the outcome - the good people of Lyon are in for a treat.
 
Tim


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: chriswgawne on 05 October, 2022, 05:58:47 PM
What are you doing about the beading between the wings and the body on the Cabrio Simon? Did you have some made or find another solution? Or am I confused about some missing beading on another of your cars?
Chris


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 07 October, 2022, 10:04:08 AM
A quick visit to the workshop this morning.....

The Ardea is in the booth for epoxy primer and undercoat - topcoat expected Monday

To answer you question Chris, the bead that I had made a couple of years ago is being fitted. One rear arch has been done and Papa F is doing the RH wing trim today. The trim is slow and complex to fit and at times needs at least 2 people especially on the wing/running boards because they are so long and wobbly

The rubber mats arrived this morning so it is still flat out !


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 10 October, 2022, 04:28:37 PM
Still at it ....

Ardea top coat today, it has a matting agent in it so that it will not be shiny and there are plenty of bumps and dents to add to the character. I will collect her on Wednesday morning to start reassembly

The trim on the wings is progressing - one side nearly finished

There are a couple of bits of interior trim to finish as well, so I made a template for the door this afternoon. Double sided tape, plastic sheet and felt tipped pen, then you stick the plastic to the plywood before cutting it out - tomorrow's job (amongst others) 


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 11 October, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
A bit more today:

Camioncino is having a few final bits done before she comes back tomorrow. The inner wheel arches are being undersealed (spray PU then "Shutz" type spray), the rear wheel arches having the trim fitted before fitting the rear wings. The front wings and running boards will follow shortly

The RHS of the Cabrio has been trial fitted and looks great - so start on the LHS tomorrow. This next side should be a lot quicker. Paint is anticipated for next Monday

I have a day job in amongst all of this .......

PS, it is quite interesting doing the 2 projects alongside each other because they have such different objectives. The Camioncino is going to be a working vehicle that get scratched and dented , whereas the Cabrio will be a "high days and holidays" car and the aim is for it to be "perfect"  (What is perfect , can it be achieved ? - Discuss !!!)



Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: frankxhv773t on 12 October, 2022, 12:15:14 PM
Perfect is when you can't find anything else you want to improve.


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 12 October, 2022, 05:58:59 PM
Thanks Frank - it means that in that case I'll never be happy !

The Ardea came back here today, so I can start fettling tomorrow morning.

This afternoon I filled the sump with fresh oil (had been emptying whilst on her side) and she started very easily, couple of small petrol leaks that were quickly sorted but the engine needs to be quite warm before she settles down and will rev and pull - I will strip and clean the carb to see if this improved things - any other suggestions ???

I had to take the front wheels off the Aprilia before the Ardea would fit underneath !


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: fay66 on 13 October, 2022, 07:40:35 AM
Thanks Frank - it means that in that case I'll never be happy !

The Ardea came back here today, so I can start fettling tomorrow morning.

This afternoon I filled the sump with fresh oil (had been emptying whilst on her side) and she started very easily, couple of small petrol leaks that were quickly sorted but the engine needs to be quite warm before she settles down and will rev and pull - I will strip and clean the carb to see if this improved things - any other suggestions ???

I had to take the front wheels off the Aprilia before the Ardea would fit underneath !
Thanks Simon great photo, where else would you find such a photo!.

Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: tzf60 on 13 October, 2022, 08:02:19 AM
Hi Simon,
The Ardea looks great - I like the paint finish - the matting agent is very effective!
 
As you already said, the vehicle has retained it's 'used' look, while still looking very presentable.
 
Regards,
Tim


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 15 October, 2022, 08:35:35 AM
Waiting on the front wings to come back from Dog's paintshop, so I have put the brakes back together and refilled  the engine, 'box and diff plus I flushed and refilled the front suspension

The suspension is the same as late Aprilia with a pressurised, double reservoir for the shock absorbers and the screw-on oilers for the lower spring

Both bottom plugs were removed and the oiler as well, then it was drained (although there was not much in it ....) then blown through with the compressor.

I use a large medical syringe for filling the units because it is quicker and cleaner. Other things that I checked and cleaned were the oilers themselves and found that one of the sprung balls was stuck so it would not have been possible to fill using the proper syringe. It came unstuck easily enough

For refilling you put the outer plug back in and then fill until it flows out of the middle plug - it takes about 100ml per side (I used EP 90) - the photo is the central core to show how the overflow works

Rear wings being fitted this morning and then I will put the interior back together

Final picture is the brake reservoir, with the plunger staying up after 2 days, showing that there aren't any leaks !


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Post by: lancialulu on 15 October, 2022, 11:19:03 AM
The mind boggles as to what that syringe was used for!


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 15 October, 2022, 03:44:10 PM
I did buy it in France and the rumours are true ......

Fitted most of the rubber mats today , plus some of the interior panels etc. It all took quite a while ! The rubber mats are very good, the rubber is lovely and supple and it fits very well. The top sill trims need quite a bit of modifying because there isn't a specific camioncino rubber

Managed to save a nice service sticker from May 1963 showing KM's as 48589 and today they are 55271 km , so just 6682 kms in 25 years - it could have gone around the clock, but I doubt it when you can only travel at 5O mph top speed

It looks as if it was last insured/on the road in 1986


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Post by: SanRemo78 on 15 October, 2022, 05:01:51 PM
It's amazing that sticker lasted so long but by comparing the writing (5 in the mileage) I read the date as 1963 - so that's 7000km in nearly 60 years! Wonderful that it'll see more in the coming decades? Will it reach 100k by the time it's 100 years old?

Guy


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 16 October, 2022, 07:00:41 AM
Thanks Guy, you are correct and I have modified my previous post - As you say it's not a lot 

100 @ 100 - not sure that will happen !


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 16 October, 2022, 03:55:38 PM
Finished the rest of the interior today and have started to "trial" fit the rear wings

They are not perfect because there has been a lot of body reconstruction prior to my buying the camioncino and the wings were not necessarily taken into account at the time

This is a very English way of saying that they don't fit !

I took the decision to work with what we have, otherwise there is no way we could get the car to Lyon, so let's see how they look when I have finished ....

I also made the door panel for the Cabrio so that is going to the trimmer tomorrow so he can finish it off - he promised to do it this week

Dog is going to paint the camioncino wings and running boards tomorrow so I'll have them back mid-week and then hopefully the Cabrio wings will be painted after that - all to plan so far , but getting tight


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 17 October, 2022, 04:44:39 PM
Bit more today .....

I have been fitting the rear wings and finishing details around the tailgates. Exhaust fitted and the weather seals fitted to the doors - this is a standard trim that I get from my favourite "Emporium" or the "rubber-shop" as it's affectionately known

It is one of those fabulous, old-school places that has everything - I love it.  "Dumon et Fils" in Narbonne if you are passing

The tailgate works much better now and has chains to stop it flapping down. I turned down some knobs for the rear door because I couldn't find any originals

Dog was finishing the prep on the front wings ready for paint tomorrow - so the Ardea is coming along nicely

And then there is the Cabrio .......


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 17 October, 2022, 04:50:03 PM
So the Cabrio .......

Papa F has finished the trims, so we can take the wings off and paint them. I was over at the workshop , chez Dog,  checking some details for the door trimming so I gave Papa F a hand to fit the bootlid and then trial fit the bumpers

It's all go - Will Cinderella go to the ball ???


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Post by: fay66 on 18 October, 2022, 08:35:59 AM
Hi Simon,
Is that how long the original chains would have been, as usually chains would  hold the tailgate level with the bed?
Brian  8)


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 18 October, 2022, 07:22:56 PM
Hi Brian, I cut the chains to be horizontal, I think that the photo doesn't show it well. In fact the chains are not fixed because one of them is out side the flatbed and the other is inside so they can't be permanently attached - does that make sense ?? so you can hook them on at different angles


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 20 October, 2022, 02:27:40 PM
Quite a few things to update ....

The camioncino wings and running boards are being painted as I type so I hope to loosely fit them tomorrow. We are going to Marseille for the weekend so I won't have a lot of time !

Photo of Dog doing the final detail on the headlight frames

The Cabrio wings were primed this morning, ready for paint over the weekend or early next week, Dets is doing a final de-dust with a tack-cloth

I have been working on a few details for both the Cabrio and Ardea - firstly putting the bumpers together for the Cabrio. They have aluminium frames for rubber inserts but the rubber was rotten so I have adapted a standard moulding from my favourite rubber shop (see above). The profile needed to be cut down at the back and shaped at the ends but the final effect is very pleasing

If I was starting this project again, I would have welded up the holes on the bumpers before chroming - doing away with the inserts .....

Next job was refitting the handbrake after it was chromed. If anyone has dismantled one of these they will know that taking them apart for the first time for 70 years can be "challenging"

Then I made up a new running board trim from an off-cut of the Aprilia wing trim , it's the same profile unlike the rest of the Ardea wing trim which is slightly narrower

As a slight aside about balancing wheels - has anyone ever used this method of balancing ? It is done using a spirit level-type bubble. I might give it a try and see what the results are like and with some though MAY be possible to do the drum/wheel unit - I don't know


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 20 October, 2022, 02:29:12 PM
More ....


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Post by: fay66 on 20 October, 2022, 05:35:29 PM
Hi Brian, I cut the chains to be horizontal, I think that the photo doesn't show it well. In fact the chains are not fixed because one of them is out side the flatbed and the other is inside so they can't be permanently attached - does that make sense ?? so you can hook them on at different angles
Thanks Simon,
Yes it does.
Brian
 8)


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Post by: Dikappa on 20 October, 2022, 07:12:11 PM
I think the rubber trim on the bumpers looks nice, very well done again Simon!!!


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Post by: davidwheeler on 23 October, 2022, 06:20:29 PM
More ....
I have one of these and I use it for my Lambda wheels only mine is on a plinth so I do not have to bend down so much.


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 24 October, 2022, 05:10:21 PM
David , I presume that you like it then !

We went to Marseille for a couple of days so not done anything over the weekend, but the bumper and wings were waiting for me when we got back so I fitted them this afternoon.

Dog described the bumper inserts as "ingots" and he's not wrong - they are very solid pieces of aluminium

Wings went on quite easily, I supported them on the "gearbox lift" whilst I bolted them on. I expect that the running boards will be more difficult - but we are getting there

Marseille was fabulous, great food, ambience and scenery and we even got to have a swim in the sea !!


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Post by: tzf60 on 25 October, 2022, 08:46:32 AM
Brilliant, Simon, I love the look that you have achieved!! Just perfect for gathering the harvest!


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 25 October, 2022, 04:29:04 PM
Thanks Tim, I am very pleased with it and it was the correct decision to paint the whole car !

Anyway, one more ready for the show ..... just one to go !


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Post by: Jaydub on 26 October, 2022, 07:30:59 PM
Camioncino looks brilliant Simon, clean and tidy but still showing plenty of patina!  Well done to you and the "team". Bonne chance at Lyon.


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 26 October, 2022, 08:04:12 PM
Thanks John, I am going to take everyone from the workshop to Lyon on the Sunday - we'll fill the Land Rover and "go on tour"

The Cabrio wings were painted today - the blurred photo is Dog applying the lacquer to the base coat. Interesting (???) detail is that we started the Cabrio in water-based paint + lacquer, but as Dog has grown into his workshop and has more continuity of supply, he has moved to solvent paints. Lots of reasons for this but he is fundamentally getting better out-of-the-gun results with the solvent paints. Less flatting and polishing to get the final result, plus they are quicker

If anyone one remembers the "Everyday Appia" paint job you will see what we mean .....

But because the body was done in water-based, we have done the wings the same way. Hopefully they will be refitted tomorrow and I can have the car back on Friday

Cars are due to be collected 10am next Wednesday !!


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Post by: lancialulu on 26 October, 2022, 09:08:27 PM
Some long nights ahead…..


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 October, 2022, 02:12:44 PM
Tim - indeed !

Couple of photos of the paint straight out of the gun - 3 coats of lacquer give a lovely shine

I will hopefully collect the Cabrio in the morning but in the meantime I have done a couple of last things on the camioncino. I thought that it would be good to have a barrel on the back so I have made up a support with cargo loops and tied the barrel on.

The other photo shows the original boards cleaned up and given a coat of lacquer before screwing in place

Lastly I cleaned up the petrol tank for the S1 Appia that we have been working on - a couple of hands-full of stones and 30 minutes turning on the cement mixer (at different angles), then blown out and rinsed with diesel - we'll still fit a filter


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 October, 2022, 08:40:01 PM
Going through the glovebox I found this lovely badge buried at the back under some fuses and other bits and bobs - looks like it was attached to the steering wheel ???



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Post by: chriswgawne on 28 October, 2022, 07:54:50 AM
I love things like that Simon. Our B21S still has road tax (?) stickers from the early 1950s attached to the rear of the rear view mirror.
And our 1st srs B20 has a wired Douane metal badge under the steering column.
Chris


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 28 October, 2022, 04:48:15 PM
Getting towards the end now - the Cabrio is back here and I have moved the camioncino over to the winery to be with the furgoncino, plus the B20 has gone back to Dog's workshop

A few things still for me to do on the Cabrio, but nice photo of the boys who have been working on the car



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Post by: chriswgawne on 28 October, 2022, 05:16:56 PM
Brilliant - what a fleet!!
And although it might not quite feel like it now, that additional external pressure of the show accelerated your progress enormously.
You must all be very pleased.
Chris


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 31 October, 2022, 05:03:36 PM
Getting close .....

Cabrio nearly finished, I fitted the handbrake so at least I can stop - I am resisting filling the brakes with fluid in case they leak and cause an issue that I don't have time to fix. New plug leads made up, petrol tank fitted and filled up, bumpers fitted, passenger door interior fitted, headlights made up, repainted the floorpan and under the wings etc etc etc

But she drives and stops (ish)

Last few details tomorrow. I don't have the trafficators (autocorrect tries to change to "fornicators" !!!) and they are a slightly odd size, so I have some nice aluminium frames and will create blanks. Plus I will see if I can find a nice strip for the running boards, fit the rear lights that have been painted today then a good clean and polish

So Cinders may also be going to the ball


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Post by: Running Board on 31 October, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
looking fantastic Simon


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Post by: Mikenoangelo on 31 October, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
A lot of hard dedicated work going on there Simon. Brilliant effort.

Mike Clark


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: Parisien on 31 October, 2022, 07:41:50 PM
Absolutely brilliant, such dedication, skill and hard work to meet your deadline, credit to all involved, well done!

P


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: John Larkin on 31 October, 2022, 09:43:26 PM
Hi Simon, well done indeed!  Very impressive dedication and hard work.

John


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 01 November, 2022, 04:50:42 PM
Thanks for your comments - it's been a long road

Final details finished today and Dog came over and did a final polish, so ready for the show !

A photo from the 1970's and then a second as I found her in 2014 (bought 2016) then final one today


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Post by: Spider2 on 02 November, 2022, 11:26:06 AM
What a truly magnificent transformation. I see the number plate from the 1970's shows a 75 plate. Who said Parisians don't have style!


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Post by: fay66 on 02 November, 2022, 11:30:46 AM
Beautiful Simon!
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 07 November, 2022, 08:35:47 AM
Thank you for your comments and the cars did look great at the show. I took the boys for a (long) day trip yesterday

The show is very impressive with a huge selection of cars - a disproportionate number of Lancias this year - and as you'd expect some very rare French machinery and dinky mobylettes that the French have always loved

The Lancia stand was excellent with cars from Theta to (new) Kappa and the Aprilia did not look out of place amongst some very nicely prepared and presented cars. There was a group of "polishers" always on hand to keep them all gleaming 

The Ardea and Appia were dwarfed in the centre of a very well presented "commercial" stand

Apparently there were 80-100,000 visitors this year

A couple of photos ....


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: donw on 07 November, 2022, 12:49:01 PM
Do you have a photo of the Theta?


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Post by: williamcorke on 07 November, 2022, 02:35:10 PM
Fantastic, and what an achievement.


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 November, 2022, 07:33:16 PM
Back to reality - and to get the camioncino registered for use

Not much is written about Ardeas so I will show a few photos and comments about working on these delightful little cars

First, you need small hands !

One of the anticipated jobs when I bought the car was to sort out the wiring.  A lot had been disconnected, presumably due to problems. A bit like the Aprilia berlina, the wiring has become brittle, so I will end up rewiring most of it.

Connecting up the new wiring to the dynamo was impossible for me, just not enough room either from above or below, so I had to take the radiator out to access the connections on the regulator. However it meant that I could flush the rad and change the (dodgy) hoses and clips and tidy up a couple of other things

The Ardea is bizarre in that the water pump is driven off the back of the dynamo (see photos) and both are hidden under the exhaust manifold, so it's tight - but anyway, hoses and clips replaced and no leaks

I had hoped to reconnect the new wires to the old circuits, but it's all very tight around the fusebox so I decided to take the petrol tank out for better access. An easy job so long as the tank is empty, but since the valve is leaking , it did that for me on its own !

Ardeas don't have fuel pumps, it's gravity feed from the tank with a fancy open/reserve/closed valve at the bottom of the tank which sits at the back of the engine bay (!!!) - not sure that would pass homologation today

There is lots of silt, so I can clean all of this up and rebuild the valve as well as the other tasks. It is all about job-creation ....



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Post by: Mikenoangelo on 28 November, 2022, 09:46:11 AM
"Ardeas don't have fuel pumps, it's gravity feed from the tank with a fancy open/reserve/closed valve at the bottom of the tank which sits at the back of the engine bay (!!!) - not sure that would pass homologation today "

Simon I have the same tap on the Augusta, in fact mine is an Ardea tap. It works fine as far as leaking is concerned - doesn't - but although it turns off properly via the cable/pull knob on the dash, it is hard to make the push action on the cable work well to turn the tap on so, as I turn the tap off whenever I park, I always check that it has  re-opened properly by a quick peak under the bonnet next time I start. There is an intermediate position for reserve but I never used that.

I'm not keen on the scuttle tank either but it is part of the successful Lancia plot to use every cubic cm of space in the car for a purpose.

Mike Clark


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Post by: nistri on 28 November, 2022, 04:20:43 PM
Hi Simon,
I agree that the fuel tap on the Ardea is cumbersome and usually ineffective. To date I have yet to see one working fine. The simplest solution is to leave the system in the open configuration all the time and to fit a simple valve tap downstream to cut off the petrol flow when parking overnight (or longer). Remanufactured seals for the main fuel tap are known to last a short time only.
Taking out the water pump carries the serious risk of snapping the long bolt fixing it to the engine block. if this happens, the only feasible solution is to take the engine out to remove the broken stump. This is one major reason to renew the coolant often (max 24 months!) with a top quality brand so that the anticorrosion additives are fully effective.

Best, Andrea


Title: Re: Ardea Camioncino - Unbelievably Cute !
Post by: simonandjuliet on 01 December, 2022, 08:17:26 AM
Thanks for your comments and I did refill the radiator with Glycol Blue, so let's see !

As promised a few close ups behind the scenes. I decided that I do need a complete re-wire so took out the dash as well. Not too difficult because non of the nuts/bolts were seized - even the steering wheel popped off without a fight

Checking the wiring diagram and notes, there are 2 horn buttons - daytime and night-time ! Can't wait to see what the difference is ....

As you can see from the first photo , the wires needed to be changed. The wires have suffered the same degratation as my Aprilias, the rubber insulation has hardened and if they are moved then it breaks up and risks short-circuits. I suspect that most cars using this type of wire should be rewired now - rewiring does have the additional advantage of allowing extra wire for indicators etc to be added

Removing the dash has also allowed be to free off the lever for the fresh air vent


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 18 December, 2022, 12:05:14 PM
A small detail showing the simplicity of the Ardea petrol gauge

The petrol tank is just in front of the dash so a piece of string attaches the float directly to the gauge !

Mine wasn't working because the string was broken, so I unsoldered the base of the float chamber , attached a new piece of string and when it all goes back together , I can connect it to the gauge


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Post by: nistri on 19 December, 2022, 10:12:57 AM
Hi Simon, the float string should be resistant to modern fuel, something not to be taken for granted. Moreover, it might be tricky to correctly calibrate the gauge after repair. Andrea


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 31 December, 2022, 04:59:49 PM
Thanks for your comments Andrea - I did a test on several strings beforehand and yes I think that calibration will be fun, I need to think up some kind of adjustable link

Been playing a bit today. First up was stripping the petrol valve which was , like everything else, full of silt and the rubber seals were all perished. So, no wonder it wouldn't seal

The Ardea Club in Italy has the rubbers (and some other nice bits and pieces) but they never respond to my messages even when written in Italian, which is a bit frustrating so I am trying to source the correct sizes myself. Plus I have written to Cavalitto who is usually very responsive

I am also pursuing a non-original option because as mentioned above, it is difficult to get these valves working properly

The front loom is all but finished , just the indicators to finish, so the petrol tank has gone back in

Tonight won't be late (everyone has CV19 !!) so hopefully do a bit more tomorrow

HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone and here's to a healthy 2023 so we can tinker away contentedly


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 04 January, 2023, 05:28:57 PM
Unfortunately Cavalitto don't have the seals/washers , so I will have to make or source them myself - they are an odd size

In the meantime I have made a simple supply. The most difficult bit was finding something with the right thread to attach to the tank. For reference it is M18 x 1.5

I found some stainless, oxygen tank fittings that worked and were not too expensive, plus a nice solid OMG (make of tap, not "oh my god it's expensive" ) motorbike tap that I can mount on one of the wing fixings, so no holes to cut either

This gives me time to work on the original set up



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Post by: nistri on 05 January, 2023, 03:51:56 PM
Hi Simon,
I understand that the tap seals remade for the Ardea Club were not very good so they dropped the project. To my knowledge, nobody stocks the good ones, at least in Italy. I think your temporary solution is really good and will keep your Ardea runnign fine. Happy 2023, Andrea


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Post by: Raahauge on 05 January, 2023, 05:45:38 PM
Simon, the seals in my leaking Ardea tap were cork, I just turned up some more, you should be able to lay your hands on some.


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 09 February, 2023, 04:41:18 PM
Thank you for your comments and I will make some new seals. I have some different materials soaking in petrol to check suitability

Another satisfying job today - the wiper motor. With the dash out, you can get at the motor. It wasn't working, but only needed a really good clean and re-grease. I scooped out the old hard grease and sprayed with a lighter grease to help loosen it up and then added more

The commutator was dirty and the grooves blocked, so once cleaned and blow-dried (!) it all works as it should



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Post by: simonandjuliet on 19 March, 2023, 06:00:04 PM
It's been a while since I posted anything, but I've not been idle !

The 1st series Appia is finished and going back to it's owner
A friend's Aprilia has been fettled (front suspension stripped and checked, steering sorted out and mysterious transmission "clunk" remedied amongst other things)
An Aurelia B20 4th series has joined my fleet and is having some bodywork done

And of course the vines have been pruned, ploughed, "weeded & feeded" plus a new irrigation system for the whites ..... so not idle !!

But, back to Ardeas !

The re-wire has now been finished and works nicely.I have modified the loom for modern indicators a discreet iPhone charger and some other mods, however it is really quite sophisticated/complex in some ways and almost "modern".

(Anorak Warning !!!!)

The ignition key has 4 positions
0 - press in the key for ignition circuit only
1 - above plus ancillaries - indicators, horn (day) , interior lights etc
2 - above plus side/dip lights
3 - above plus dip/main

But if you go from 1 to 2 then the central steering wheel button becomes the light flasher instead of the horn. The horn moves to the nighttime button on the dashboard ! The lights are on side until you press the steering wheel button and then the dip beams flash

Also if you go from 2 to 3 then the dip lights come on and if you press the steering wheel button the mains flash

BUT, in both positions 2 & 3 you rotate the steering wheel button, then the dips (position 2) or mains (position 3) are on permanently !   

How bonkers is all that ? Anyway , it works !

I am planning to take it for an MOT this week, it will blow the tester's mind !

photos of the beautiful ignition light in bits, plus the nighttime horn switch and the "clockwork" fuel gauge.  The quality of the Ardea is amazing








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Post by: Spider2 on 19 March, 2023, 09:45:54 PM
Do cars of that age need an MOT in France? If so are the testers "understanding"?


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Post by: Kari on 20 March, 2023, 09:00:45 AM
Regarding the ignition switch connections, I am sure you have accessed the Lancia Ardea web-site. There is a camioncino manual to look at. The switch has positions 0-1-2. The ignition would be independent from the light switch (key in or out). The high and low beam are changed by the foot switch left of the clutch panel.
Unfortunately, non of the wiring diagrams show the internal switching of the ignition switch. Good luck at the MOT!

Karl


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 20 March, 2023, 08:44:41 PM
Thanks for your comments

We don't need MOT's for cars pre 1960 except when you register them for the first time or change ownership, so I do need an MOT (or Contrôle technique , CT)

The guys I work with are happy for me to explain the "subtleties"

Karl, not sure if mine is a later car but it definitely has 4 positions on the key - the 1949, 4th edition handbook shows the positions that correspond to my car. Not sure if this is a "commercial-thing" or it also applies to some cars ??

As we've seen before, there's no such thing as a standard Lancia


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Post by: a1city on 21 March, 2023, 07:12:16 AM
Hi ,great thread and as you say CUTE . I have been looking for the PU you have used and wondered if you could send me some kind of link or manufacturer? Regards dave


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 21 March, 2023, 07:07:07 PM
Hi Dave, if you mean polyurethane glue/seal then my favourite is "TigerSeal" , but I also use one of Dog's PU's, but that is a locally supplied glue so not available in the UK

MOT booked for Friday, so long as the 'computer says "yes" - I don't have a registration document, so this may be difficult .... just means that I have to go through the process of getting a justification from the FFVE (Féderation Française de Véhicules d'Epoch) first

Gratuitous photo of the camioncino in a vineyard today !


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 21 March, 2023, 07:10:06 PM
TigerSeal, via eBay


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Post by: SanRemo78 on 21 March, 2023, 10:17:03 PM
Tiger Seal - I think it depends on what you expect from it. Tried it to bond fibreglass to aluminium and it didn't work. Ended up using Sikaflex for a more permanent bond.


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Post by: Spider2 on 22 March, 2023, 04:14:19 PM
Good luck with the CT on Friday. She'll be fine, '49 was a great vintage. I once had a case of '49 Cheval Blanc in the '70's. I dare not tell you what i paid for it.


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 23 March, 2023, 06:03:48 PM
We have a bottle of '82 Cheval Blanc in the cave - we are waiting for one of our 60th's to drink it - unfortunately not that far away ....


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 24 March, 2023, 05:53:17 PM
The camioncino passed its CT with flying colours - so another one on the road

I am pretty sure that its the only one on the road in France, so quite a rare sight !

Couple of things to do to make it more comfortable and usable, but we'll start off as it is .....

Photo shows the camioncino with the "dating" newspaper that is necessary for the registration process. The FFVE requires photos showing that the van is in one piece, has the engine fitted and an interior - and these need to recent, hence the newspaper


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Post by: Parisien on 24 March, 2023, 06:41:37 PM
Fantastic Simon, looks the biz, am sure there's another 500k kilometres left in it!

P


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 31 March, 2023, 03:43:47 PM
Been using the camioncino all week, collecting bits and pieces from the vineyard supplies shop, irrigation pipes and tools, shopping etc etc.

Overall very nice, especially since I had another go at the wheel balancing .... one of the front wheels is really not very round so I think that I'll swap it for the spare

It's not quick, about 85 kph flat out (so 5th gear is useful) and very slow uphill because anything remotely steep is 3rd gear !

One thing that I will need to do at some point is take all the suspension to pieces - front and back - because it is not supple enough. I don't expect it to be like my Renault 4 van, but it is a bit too rigid

At the front, the sliding pillars have been drained and refilled with fresh oil and I have backed the dampers right off so that I can get a bit more softness and hopefully more movement there

At the rear, I have sprayed with WD40 to start with and next,  the chap at the vineyard supplies has agreed to put a 500kg "BigBag" of fertiliser in the back , then I can drive around a couple of bumpy back roads and see if that gets it moving a bit more before he lifts it out again

Either way, next winter's job is to strip and grease everything

Another vineyard photo, this time our Syrah and Assyrtiko vines where I have just been installing irrigation - watering is allowed for young vines and during periods of severe drought - we don't have it everywhere though


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Post by: davidwheeler on 02 April, 2023, 09:47:41 AM
L'Independent - c'est comme the i en Angleterre ou c'est totalement different - independent en fait?


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 02 April, 2023, 10:55:44 AM
David, they are local newspapers that cover births , marriages and local events - rarely any international news. We occasionally get interviewed for it (for wines / winery etc), so you can see that it's not too high brow !


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Post by: Spider2 on 02 April, 2023, 02:24:44 PM
Nice to see the original orange bulbs. I assume they are still acceptable as it breezed the CT


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 16 April, 2023, 07:22:14 PM
The yellow (orange) bulbs are still legal here, but are rarely seen - I do like them, however I rarely drive at night and if I do it is at 30mph !

Photo taken today with the Ardea outside , and the Appia inside the winery. There was a "fêtes de village" and we hosted a photo club and did some tastings. The cars always create some interest, especially with the Amilcar tucked away at the back



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Post by: DavidLaver on 17 April, 2023, 08:56:34 PM

Period perfect!

Looks like more tyre than wheel.


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Post by: chriswgawne on 18 April, 2023, 08:10:19 AM
Thats a great photo Simon. I bet the vehicles bring all sorts of potential customers into your winery.
Chris


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 19 April, 2023, 03:53:37 PM
Thanks Gents - but here is an even better photo that came up on Facebook from one of the proper photographers on the day ...


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Post by: chriswgawne on 20 April, 2023, 04:09:49 PM
Now that is a good photograph.
Chris


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Post by: simonandjuliet on 22 April, 2023, 06:31:05 AM
Only 10 years apart - the Appia looks almost "modern" !