Lancia Motor Club

Model Technical and Interest => Fulvia => Topic started by: my69S1 on 10 August, 2021, 01:30:47 PM



Title: What is this for?
Post by: my69S1 on 10 August, 2021, 01:30:47 PM
What is this for and where does it get hooked up?  I have seen other pics with a hose running from this end to back behind the engine but I never see where it actually goes.  I've looked and I see no obvious place where the other end of the hose would go.  Any help and pics especially would be appreciated.  Thanks.



Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Richard Fridd on 10 August, 2021, 02:06:10 PM
Crankcase breather return from oil filler canister?


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Jaydub on 10 August, 2021, 02:24:00 PM
As Richard said, it connects to the Oil filler canister and takes the fumes from the cylinder head camshaft cavity back into the intake system.


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: my69S1 on 10 August, 2021, 02:34:02 PM
So it hooks up to this?



Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: lancialulu on 10 August, 2021, 02:58:31 PM
Make sure the innards haven’t turned to rust! Before fitting at least bang it hard down and see if any bits fall out. It does actually look as if some has taken it to pieces in the past so maybe ok. It bolts to an alloy casting that bolts to the back of cylinder head


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: my69S1 on 10 August, 2021, 04:15:54 PM
Thanks.  Yes, I took mine apart and it was full of rusty dust.  Replaced with stainless scrubbing pad.

My oil filter canister hose is currently hooked up to a union and banjo bolt at the very end of the intake manifold as seen in the attached picture.  The parts manual shows a union and banjo bolt at that location so it must go somewhere else?



Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: dhla40 on 11 August, 2021, 07:45:12 AM
That union is normally for the brake servo, do you have one? Also your no 4 cylinder must surely be running very weak.

Sean


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: my69S1 on 11 August, 2021, 10:30:02 AM
That union is normally for the brake servo, do you have one? Also your no 4 cylinder must surely be running very weak.

Sean

Thanks Sean.  The entire brake system was replaced with a Wilwood system by a PO, as was the entire electrical system.  I am still going through what is different to determine if anything is missing.  Why would the no 4 cylinder be running weak?


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: lancialulu on 11 August, 2021, 11:09:16 AM
That union is normally for the brake servo, do you have one? Also your no 4 cylinder must surely be running very weak.

Sean
As Sean points out that is the vacuum take off for a brake servo so it sucks directly into the inlet port of n4 cylinder. Where does that rubber pipe go as in an earlier pictur it does not go it the air filter box (missing pipe in photo).???

Thanks Sean.  The entire brake system was replaced with a Wilwood system by a PO, as was the entire electrical system.  I am still going through what is different to determine if anything is missing.  Why would the no 4 cylinder be running weak?


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: my69S1 on 11 August, 2021, 12:17:05 PM
That union is normally for the brake servo, do you have one? Also your no 4 cylinder must surely be running very weak.

Sean
As Sean points out that is the vacuum take off for a brake servo so it sucks directly into the inlet port of n4 cylinder. Where does that rubber pipe go as in an earlier pictur it does not go it the air filter box (missing pipe in photo).???

Thanks Sean.  The entire brake system was replaced with a Wilwood system by a PO, as was the entire electrical system.  I am still going through what is different to determine if anything is missing.  Why would the no 4 cylinder be running weak?

That rubber pipe goes to the oil filter canister.  If there is a vacuum, then it is sucking air from the oil filter canister.  Would it be better if I just plugged that hole (removed the union and banjo bolt and replaced with a sold bolt) and ran the air filter canister hose to the intake manifold as it should be?


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: SanRemo78 on 11 August, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
If the pipe is superfluous then remove it and blank the hole in the filter housing off. Otherwise you've got unfiltered air going through the carbs.....

Guy


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: my69S1 on 11 August, 2021, 02:33:38 PM
If the pipe is superfluous then remove it and blank the hole in the filter housing off. Otherwise you've got unfiltered air going through the carbs.....

Guy

Thanks Guy.  My intent is to run the hose from the oil filter canister to the back of the air filter as it should be.  However, what do I do with the hose coming from the end of the intake manifold which would normally be hooked up to the brake servo.  Can I just blank this hole on the intake manifold.  That seems the obvious choice since I don't have a servo but I just want to make sure that is OK.


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: SanRemo78 on 11 August, 2021, 02:50:51 PM
Definitely black the intake manifold take-off port otherwise that cylinder will be taking a much much leaner mixture than the other 3! leaving it open will eventually lead to damage to the engine.


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: my69S1 on 11 August, 2021, 03:13:06 PM
Thanks for the assistance.  I will install a hose between the air filter and oil filter canister as it should be and block off the hole on the intake manifold.


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Wangler on 15 August, 2021, 07:09:23 AM
Nothing to do with your question, but I would certainly replace the clear plastic pipe between the carbs and use proper petrol resistant pipe secured by “jubilee” clips or the much neater SINGLE ear Mikalor clips. Apologies if you’ve already done this.


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: nistri on 15 August, 2021, 08:38:57 AM
https://www.holden.co.uk/blog/does-e10-petrol-pose-a-threat-to-classic-cars/?utm_source=Holden+Vintage+%26+Classic+Newsletter&utm_campaign=a1993a4b0a-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2021_08_13_08_37_E10&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f5aba6e1f8-a1993a4b0a-46158617

old fuel hoses are a fire hazard and will be even more so with new petrol, Andrea


Title: Re: What is this for?
Post by: Wangler on 15 August, 2021, 08:59:22 AM
If anyone wants to use Mikalor clips, this particular version is the best I've found, from racebikebitz on eBay:

"Mikalor Single Ear Plus O Clips 304 Stainless Steel Air Water Hose Pipe Clamps

The Single Ear Plus Clamp is an inexpensive, easy assembly clip which has many applications in addition to its normal role of sealing hoses against loss of liquid, air or gases.

The fact that these clamps are used on very small-bore hoses means that the material of the tube or hose can sometimes be very flexible, making it more difficult to ensure a leak-tight assembly due to the possible deformation of the hose. In these cases, the inner-ring is key in helping to guarantee leak-tightness as well as protecting the hose from being pinched during assembly."

It probably isn't necessary but i've found that a drop of WD40 smeared over the pipe helps to make for a perfect clamp-down.