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Model Technical and Interest => Aprilia, Ardennes and Ardea => Topic started by: Spanner Man on 26 November, 2020, 07:12:19 PM



Title: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Spanner Man on 26 November, 2020, 07:12:19 PM
Petrol tank sender.

My Lancia Aprilia came without a sender in the petrol tank and being an unusual car it shows the petrol level in a series of nine lights which illuminate depending on the amount of petrol.
Buying the device is impossible but I did find a diagram showing how it works.it uses a float connected to a string which comes out of the tank then around three pulleys the last of which has nine contacts to electrical wires. The string tension is controlled by a delicate spring. As the fuel level drops the pulley turns to contact with a needle and in doing so turns on a  bulb.
My home made version is much simpler with only one moving part. It consists of a foam float which slides freely up a rectangular aluminium tube. The tube is 5mm shorter than the distance from the top to the bottom of the tank and it is sealed with weld at the bottom. Inside the tube are nine magnetic switches as you would find in a typical alarm system. Embedded in the foam is a magnet. As the float moves it triggers the switches which illuminate the diode lights in the dashboard. To see this working please look at this video.
https://youtu.be/FBF74hB_9MQ


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: brian on 26 November, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
I love it!
My S1 has a similar system without a sender and a very tatty gauge.
How do you weld up the aluminium square tube with magnets in or ar they threaded in with spacers?
Do you take commissions?!
Brian


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Mikenoangelo on 26 November, 2020, 09:29:52 PM
Very impressive - lovely job.

Mike


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Spanner Man on 26 November, 2020, 09:31:51 PM
Hi,
It was aluminium welded but you don't need to make it out of aluminium. Make it out of plastic pipe. Just be sure it is petrol proof and when you put in an end cap leave it in petrol for a month to be sure.
The magnetic switches are held in a plastic strip 2cm apart. I'll try to attach a photo.
No I don't take commissions. Thanks


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 November, 2020, 09:08:29 AM
Very clever ....


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: tzf60 on 27 November, 2020, 03:53:43 PM
Excellent solution, and your YouTube video is brilliant!
 
Tim F


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: brian on 27 November, 2020, 08:01:17 PM
Very many thanks for all your information - I am so tempted to have a go and the idea of plastic appeals as there must be plastics and glues that are petrol-proof so even an engineering incompetent such as I could be successful.


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 28 November, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
This is an amazing solution. I am further behind and my Aprilia has a way to go, but I am looking to make such a device with a friend over the next few weeks. I will be able to bench test it without a problem, but it will need road testing. Brian, as we are close geographically, please would you PM me if you are interested.
Will keep everyone updated.
Stay safe everyone.
Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 02 December, 2020, 08:20:07 PM


   Have machined up the cap for the top of the tank today and ordered the other parts. I am hoping to leave the original tube that held the float, in place, as I think it will act as an 'anti-slosh' device. Having looked at my tank I now realise that I need to replace it, so if any one out there has one to sell, please let me know

  Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Spanner Man on 03 December, 2020, 05:46:18 PM
I did consider using a small Thermos flask to hold the magnetic switches.
Decided against it.
I also considered a design using no moving parts. Not even a float. Using these petrol level sensors set one above the other.

Automotive fuel level sensor fuel pump alarm sensor
https://a.aliexpress.com/_BSAqNj


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 05 December, 2020, 10:56:34 AM
Please can someone tell me what sequence the lights originally worked in. There are at least three options I can see:
1 They stay on when the petrol tank is full and off as the level lowers
2 The reverse of 1
3 A light comes on as a new level is reached and the previous one is switched off.

Any views?
Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: simonandjuliet on 05 December, 2020, 12:12:22 PM
I am pretty sure that the original system of lights worked only when the button was pressed ( press on/release , not on/off) and the light corresponding to the level illuminated on the dash. Sometimes if the connector bridges 2 terminals on the dial above the float, then 2 lights come on
The reserve , square S2 or fan-shape S1, comes on automatically , whether or not the button is pressed

Hope that makes sense


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: brian on 05 December, 2020, 12:22:41 PM
Dave, I think you are right. I do not feel that Lancia would have had light/s glowing all the time.  In the parts book (of which I only have ones in Italian and French and for S2) there is what I think is labelled as a switch.


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 05 December, 2020, 01:57:10 PM
I agree with Simon.


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Foggitt on 05 December, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
My S1 is as Simonís, with the lower right button to press to see the fuel level.
Andrew


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 05 December, 2020, 06:09:20 PM
So, adding up everyone's responses, there is a switch somewhere on the dashboard, which you press when you want a fuel level. Is this what people want?
Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: brian on 05 December, 2020, 08:56:45 PM
Yep
Brian


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 05 December, 2020, 09:54:25 PM
From the Aprilia instruction book......

and "The Motor Trader - Servicing the Lancia Aprilia"


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: GeoffJohnson on 05 December, 2020, 10:53:09 PM
For what it's worth here is the diagram I made when I fitted my fuel gauge. As you will see, when the sender connects to contact 1 the number one bulb lights on the display. When any other contact is made the display only lights when the button is pressed. The wire colours can be ignored as they are of my chosing as I had to make a new loom.

Geoff Johnson


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 06 December, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
Thank you Everyone for all the information. I think I now have enough to make the unit. It's just a question of waiting for the parts to arrive.

Geoff - the wiring diagram is really helpful. As you mentioned making a new loom, do you by any chance have a diagram of that too, as I have to make my own in the future, and I don't have a loom to copy?

Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Sliding Pillar on 06 December, 2020, 11:02:56 AM
Dave, if you require any further Aprilia information contact the Club Librarian.
I scanned a whole lot of different articles and factory publications for him to help Aprilia owners.


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: GeoffJohnson on 09 December, 2020, 03:42:35 PM
Dave
The loom was really simple as I didn't try to make it authentic. All Aprilia wiring is hidden and, from the rear, goes down the transmission tunnel. I bought the thinnest cable from Vehicle Wiring Products which is rated at 11 amps so more than good enough. 4 metres of each colour (at about 25p per metre each) and some sleeving. pulled the cables through the sleeving, fitted to the car and trimmed the ends to suit. You might want to check the cable length depending which way you want to run it. As I say simple and not nearly as elegant as your sender.
Geoff


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: davidwheeler on 09 December, 2020, 11:03:24 PM
Alternatively you can buy multicore cable.   I found some 11 core when I rewired mine some 20 years ago.   Now use Ebay, where there are many listed.  It only carries microamps after all.


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 22 December, 2020, 04:53:10 PM


  some progress today

  Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 22 December, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
 

   more

  Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: Dave Gee on 03 March, 2021, 09:32:08 AM
  Mk 2 of the sender unit now finished and I shall be getting it trialled very soon.

  Dave


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: lancialulu on 03 March, 2021, 11:55:44 AM
Looks great


Title: Re: Aprilia petrol tank sender. How I made one.
Post by: simonandjuliet on 03 March, 2021, 12:49:53 PM
Fascinating