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Model Technical and Interest => Appia => Topic started by: GerardJPC on 27 October, 2020, 07:27:17 AM



Title: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 27 October, 2020, 07:27:17 AM
Hello all, I have usually owned classic cars from the 1970s, mainly Italian or British cars, and I have owned various Betas since 2012, my current one being a 1979 1600 Coupe that is in pretty good condition.  My interest in Lancias has been growing, and earlier this year I bought for the first time a car from the 1960s, a 1962 Appia Series Three.  The car is the same age as I am.

This Appia appears to have been in Germany in 2011, and may have been imported to the UK about five years ago.  The seller claimed that it had been in a museum, but I have no info as to this.  He bought the car at an auction late last year, registered it with DVLA earlier this year, had some work done on it (not very good work) by someone claiming to be a Delta specialist near Reading, and then advertised it for sale.  The car was and is in a good state in terms of bodywork and interior, both of which appear largely original, but it was in a very poor state mechanically, with everything that could perish having perished and all sorts of problems with ignition, fuel system, electrics, and brakes.  It had very ancient Michelin tyres that might well be from the 60s or 70s.   There is a 1970s looking Ford dealer oil change sticker on the driver's door shut.

Many days work over two months by the excellent Mark Compton, a mobile mechanic based in Gloucestershire whom I recommend highly for all old cars, have turned what was merely an ornament into a reliable and fun car.  

The car now has new Pirelli Cinturatos, fresh oil in engine, gearbox and differential, and many new parts.  Huge thanks to the Appia Consortium for expert advice and for rapid supply of spares, and thanks also to eBay Italia which has come up with all sorts of things.  If anyone wants the old Michelins for show purposes only, please let me know.

The car has been up to an indicated 130 km/h on the M40, but is mainly used for flitting about on A and B roads in south Oxfordshire, occasionally overtaking 40 mph dawdlers.

Next in the list: an alternator, some minor paint repairs and get the original Blaupunkt radio to work.

Current fault:  the driver's door has been stuck in the locked position since Saturday - serves me right.  I almost never lock classic cars.  

The Appia sparks joy.  Pics below, and a link to a short film that my wife, a TV director, ran up on her mobile phone last weekend.  

https://vimeo.com/471786165

The password is Appia


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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: lancianut666 on 27 October, 2020, 08:04:33 AM
Love the video...bit of Genesis with Peter on the vocals excellent. The car looks amazing well done Gerard.
Jim


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 27 October, 2020, 08:17:19 AM
Thanks!  The credit must go to Mark the mechanic, for patience and skill, and to the Appia Consortium for advice and parts support.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: nistri on 27 October, 2020, 08:18:00 AM
Congratulations! Lovely car,  :) Andrea


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: simonandjuliet on 27 October, 2020, 08:31:54 AM
Much better video than my own recent efforts .... well done and don't bother with the radio, stick to Genesis on your iPod, it's great and suits your very stylish Appia

Super , underated cars - last of the sliding pillars !


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 27 October, 2020, 08:50:50 AM
Cheers!

Here is the car with one of its grand daughters, and one of its grand nieces by marriage.



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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 27 October, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Campari and Soda -

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In the woods -

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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: frankxhv773t on 27 October, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
Well done with both the car and the video.

I've not used these people but always been rather tempted by their work, http://vintagecarradio.co.uk/index.html. If you do their 21st Century upgrade you can have your original radio AND play Genesis through it.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: tzf60 on 27 October, 2020, 01:23:01 PM
Luv the excellent video and photos!
Good luck with the Appia!
 
Tim F


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: rogerelias on 27 October, 2020, 02:31:33 PM
Lovely video. i recognise most roads and places on it. The Chequers at Fingest is where we had our wedding reception in 1988.I was also an AA Patrol in that area too, bought back nice memories. We enjoyed our S2 Berlina


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 29 October, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
The Chequers has a great kitchen at the moment.  That network of roads in between Henley and Watlington, only 40 miles or so to the west of London, gives the lie to those who claim that motoring in the UK is no longer fun.    The scenery of the Chiltern Glacial valleys and the beech woods that adorn them is some of the most lovely in southern England.  JRR Tolkien walked those woods and drank beer in those pubs in his weekends during his long career as an Oxford Don.  Oxfordshire where he worked and Warwickshire where he grew up are The Shire.   

I had a happy childhood in the 60s and 70s.  For me, classic cars are time machines.  They connect me to my childhood.  My family were not affluent, so they did not have Italian cars, but any car from that period transports me to that period.  My love of BL cars connects me to my late father, who was a design and production engineer in BL, and to my late uncle, who was a toolmaker in BL.   My love of Italian cars and motorbikes is a reflection of the quality of Italian design and engineering, and of Italian attitudes to life.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: frankxhv773t on 31 October, 2020, 10:18:38 AM
I was a weekly commuter from Aylesbury to Reading around 1980 and the run from Watlington down through Nettlebed to Sonning Common on the B481 was absolutely glorious.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 01 November, 2020, 10:37:13 AM
Forty years on, the roads in that area are still fun to drive.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: sd39 on 01 November, 2020, 08:38:22 PM
Excellent work. Great colour too


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 02 November, 2020, 05:33:38 PM
The car is usually grey, but in some lights it looks blue.   I must say that the Appia has been a revelation - it's such a pleasant car to drive.  I am just off out to drive it in the dark, just for the Hell of it.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 04 November, 2020, 11:39:45 AM
Mild beefetta:  The wiper blades from the Consortium have pinged off for no obvious reason.  First one (vanished into a hedge), then a week or so later the other (located lying on the road).   I have bought a new pair from eBay.  I do not know if Mark the Mech or I have missed some secret fitting technique peculiar to Appias.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 07 November, 2020, 03:38:38 PM
The car is off to Jersey for a month in a week or two.  Jersey roads suit a small classic car.


Engine shot -

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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 10 November, 2020, 08:58:22 AM
Set dressing -

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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: lancianut666 on 10 November, 2020, 12:25:18 PM
Hi Gerard
Just noticed your horn ring is bent it should be in the same plane as the wheel.
Clarkey


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 10 November, 2020, 03:03:25 PM
It sticks in place sometimes.  It usually sits along with the wheel.

Do all Appias have such LOUD HORNS?


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: nistri on 11 November, 2020, 07:41:38 AM
Yes, if not loud, the battery is low, Andrea


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: Waka on 11 November, 2020, 08:49:52 AM
Nicely done - car looks well in photos and on the video. Another old Lancia in good hands.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 12 November, 2020, 05:42:03 AM
Cheers!

Next Wednesday I shall drive the car down the A34 to Portsmouth.  I shall bring a jump starter, a battery charger, tools, oil, and spare wiper blades.  The car will be wandering the lanes of Jersey until just before Christmas, but I do not promise to solve any murders.

BTW, the driver's door is stuck in the locked position at present.  I get in on the other side and slide across.  I assume that if I remove the door card I may be able to jiggle the mechanism.  


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 12 November, 2020, 05:46:25 AM
Yes, if not loud, the battery is low, Andrea

Grazie!


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: mikeC on 12 November, 2020, 08:17:08 AM
Cheers!

... BTW, the driver's door is stuck in the locked position at present.  I get in on the other side and slide across.  I assume that if I remove the door card I may be able to jiggle the mechanism.  

I had this problem on my Series 1, albeit the passenger's side; turned out to be an over-long trim screw that was jamming the mechanism; you could be equally lucky!


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 18 November, 2020, 04:54:49 PM
The Appia is currently having a battery charge.  I am about to check its oil and coolant levels.    Tomorrow morning at 0530 I shall head off on a 77 mile route to Portsmouth, to catch a 9am ferry to Jersey.  I have to go through Reading and then down the A33, but hope that Reading will be quiet when I get there.  Brrr - heater not working.  I shall wrap up in a 1960s wool lined knee length leather motorbiking coat, scarf and gloves.   


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: mikeC on 18 November, 2020, 07:04:25 PM
I'm probably telling you something you already know, but do you realise you have to open the valve on the cylinder head for the heater to work?

Edit: I've just looked at your engine-bay photo, and see you have a dashboard-controlled valve; it must just be the earlier cars with the under-bonnet lever!


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 19 November, 2020, 09:29:02 AM
0515 start and by moonlit B and A roads from south Oxfordshire to Portsmouth.  The ferry is three hours late.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 19 November, 2020, 11:05:30 AM
Appia: not broken down.


MV Commodore Clipper: broken down.  


Oh well, I have a cabin to relax in.



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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 20 November, 2020, 04:54:11 AM
Aujourd'hui, en Jerri -

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After a free test at the airport (negative), I have checked into a pleasant apartment, with a full fridge, and have to stay indoors for five days, but thereafter can live life normally, pubs included.  The Appia is going to stay at a farmhouse up the hill above St Helier.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 21 November, 2020, 01:32:40 PM
This is very fine -

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1283073

I wonder if a couple of spot lamps on my Appia would look good.



Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 21 November, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
Jersey -

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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: nistri on 23 November, 2020, 07:26:47 AM
"I wonder if a couple of spot lamps on my Appia would look good." Difficult to use them with a dynamo, Andrea


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: mikeC on 23 November, 2020, 08:15:04 AM
Why? We managed OK before alternators came along! I've survived many hours night-time driving in my 6 volt Austin Seven with headlamps and one spot lamp, and have experienced no problems with, admittedly limited, night-time running in my Appia with two spot lamps.


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: nistri on 23 November, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
It depends on the power the extra lamps need especially at low revs when the dynamo output is limited, Andrea


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: will on 23 November, 2020, 10:05:55 AM
There now is no need to fit an alternator LED bulbs take so little power
The other big advantage is you can buy an LED side light bulb (front) that flashes amber.
There is some re wiring to do see

see https://www.bettercarlighting.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=829


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 23 November, 2020, 10:27:43 AM
Thanks!

I am getting an alternator anyway.  My first classic car, back in 1989, was a 1970 Triumph Vitesse Mark II, which, like an Appia, was in tech terms basically a 1950s car, but one that remained in production until the early 1970s.  I recall its dynamo failing on a dark drive home.  It got an alternator the next week.   


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: lancialulu on 23 November, 2020, 01:38:49 PM
There now is no need to fit an alternator LED bulbs take so little power
The other big advantage is you can buy an LED side light bulb (front) that flashes amber.
There is some re wiring to do see

see https://www.bettercarlighting.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=829
And I thought you were a purist Will!!!


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: will on 24 November, 2020, 09:59:32 AM
Tim not when it comes to safety and the advantage of LED bulbs nobody knows you fitted them. Other drivers do not recognise white flashing front side lights.

Regarding fitting an alternator to an Appia I fitted  one and it boiled two batteries. The problem with an Appia is the exhaust manifold is too near where the dynamo/alternator are mounted the heat cooks the diode. I know of at least one other Appia owner who had similar problems.

 

   
 


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 25 November, 2020, 05:32:35 AM
Jersey -

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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 25 November, 2020, 05:35:09 AM
I like this look, from the Appia - Riley One Five comparison (with Don Cross's corrections of errors in the comments).  Is the Appia a member's car?


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Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: lancialulu on 25 November, 2020, 11:15:11 AM
I like this look, from the Appia - Riley One Five comparison (with Don Cross's corrections of errors in the comments).  Is the Appia a member's car?


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I remember sourcing that car..... Yes a member's car....


Title: Re: Series Three Berlina returned to the road
Post by: GerardJPC on 30 November, 2020, 07:18:04 PM
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