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Model Technical and Interest => Ypsilon, Musa and Y10 => Topic started by: Duncan23 on 17 August, 2020, 03:01:23 PM



Title: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 17 August, 2020, 03:01:23 PM
Hi
I thought I'd introduce myself and this car. I had a few Lancias in the past - a couple of Beta projects that never made it to the road and a Dedra Turbo that I loved and sold on for a more economical daily. After a few years with just a modern car I found myself with the time and space for a project, something that would fit in the (smallish single) garage and I could improve, but wasn't too decrepit or too precious to work on.
Hence I bought this Y10 from an advert on this website a couple of weeks ago. It's a 1993 GTie in LHD, I think it was originally bought in Brussels, then it went to Cyprus and finally it came over here a couple of years ago. While in Cyprus it had aftermarket air-con installed - it's been partially removed, but the dashboard is a bit of a mess (I think part of it was cut about and it's cracking in places), and the associated wiring could do with being removed. It drives OK, though it's not been used much, so it could do with the cobwebs being blown out and some fresh fuel, and I don't see much rust when poking around underneath. The paintwork is not great - part of it has clearly been resprayed at some point in the past, the roof is a bit faded, and the bonnet has some cracks showing the old paint (the spare wheel has a 175 70 R13 tyre and apparently has caused some marks on the bonnet when someone tried to shut it). The sides aren't too bad, but the bumpers have some black paint flaking (again, showing what is presumably the original underneath). This is it, shortly after being washed last weekend:
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The seats are wearing covers because the base (at least on the drivers side) is quite frayed, and the carpet and alcantara are an indeterminate grubby colour, so I need to give the interior a good clean before I do anything else in there. At some point (maybe this winter) I shall have to take much of it apart and reinforce it or replace the bits that are cracked. Obviously the main dash panel and probably the central one with the switches and heater vents are different, but I assume the various hinged pieces are the same, just switched from left to right?

I could do with getting my hands on a workshop manual or similar - does the club have one that can be borrowed or sections thereof photocopied?
I shall post more updates when I've had a chance to give it a proper once over and take a bunch of photos (though I also need to finish clearing up the garage so it has somewhere to live). The plan is to make it as usable and enjoyable as possible, without spending too much money or focusing too hard on originality (it'll never be a concours car, and I wouldn't want one), and to have something to tinker with as and when I get the time.
Thanks
Duncan


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: lancialulu on 17 August, 2020, 05:12:41 PM
Hi Duncan

Welcome - Nice Y10GTie. Contact Chris Hopkins - librarian for workshop manual and or Frank Tierney who is the font of all things Y10!

Additionally the club has quite a few special tools for hire for this model. I am the contact. You can see a list of tools in the online library.

Tim


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 17 August, 2020, 07:44:33 PM
Welcome to the Y10 fold. I am the font of some knowledge but only on Y10 Fire, Trevor Nicosia is the man for Y10s having had upwards of 30 of them.

Cracked dashboards are a problem and there isn't really a fix unless you can find a second hand one in good condition. It's quite a job to swap one which is why I am living with the crack in mine. I do have pictures of what's behind the dash if you do decide to do something about it. As far as I know bumpers should be bare plastic so if you have flaking paint it's probably been done to cover up fading of the plastic. I use Maguires black trim detailer to good effect to keep my bumpers black. I think your bumpers might be Y10 Turbo which may be worth a few quid with that red insert.

One of the joys of Y10s is that parts are cheap and lots of mechanical and electrical bits are still available new. I have dismantled a couple so have some spares and am always willing to help get another Y10 fixed up.

Where abouts are you located?


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 18 August, 2020, 07:32:00 AM
I'm in Oxford.  In theory there's a local meeting on Thursday, but I don't know if it's on (or if I can go). I see it splits with the Berkshire group - I'll contact Chris Hopkins for the workshop manual and also to find out about that meet. :)

When I talk about dashboard cracks, I'm talking about cracks in how it is assembled, rather than the cosmetic ones I had on my old 924.  Specifically, if you push any of the buttons in the central part of the dash (eg the fog lights), the whole button set moves inside the dashboard. I'm also missing the alcantara cover for the stereo, and I think the aircon install basically wrecked the glovebox.
Just poking around on eBay I'd noticed that there were quite a few spares available new, and also that they are really cheap! :) It's a nice surprise after my last classic (a Porsche 924 Turbo), where most stuff was available, but everything cost a fortune!

Thanks
Duncan


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: nyssa7 on 18 August, 2020, 07:44:16 AM
Not sure from that angle whether the bumpers re from a Turbo, need ring and rear views to check the front has the additional cooling slots and the rear has what looks like a spoiler for going very fast backwards 😂

But I donít live far from you, Princes Risborough, and have a garage full of odds and ends Y10


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 18 August, 2020, 08:07:50 AM
Front and rear bumpers:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50239223653_99f32177b7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jxt9Tg)IMG_20200818_085706 (https://flic.kr/p/2jxt9Tg) by duncancmartin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90461577@N00/), on Flickr
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And the interior - all the gaps and crazy angles show what needs sorting.
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I have a folder full of history as well, but it's a mix of French, Greek (I think), and English. I need to go through it and put it in chronological order, but I'm not sure it's going to tell me anything new. Oh, and it came with a nice shiny grille, so I might put that on instead of the current peeling one. Don't know if I can swap the GT badge over though.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 18 August, 2020, 10:05:24 AM
It looks like it's not a turbo bumper then, I checked my pictures and could only see the red insert on turbos but specifications vary so much. As I said, nyssa7 (Trevor) is the man with the real knowledge.



Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: fay66 on 18 August, 2020, 10:14:37 AM
It looks like it's not a turbo bumper then, I checked my pictures and could only see the red insert on turbos but specifications vary so much. As I said, nyssa7 (Trevor) is the man with the real knowledge.


There were no red stripes in the bumper of my 1989 GTie,.
Dash besides being Lhd is different on the late Y10's.
Spare wheel should be a steel wheel, and as someone found out, an alloy wheel doesn't fit!
I tried to do similar by putting an alloy wheel in the spare wheel well on my Delta HF turbo to find it would only fit if deflated ::)
Brian
8227


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: nyssa7 on 19 August, 2020, 06:08:29 AM
Looks like GTie spot lights so guess someone has adde red bits, are they painted? Turbo has ďwireĒ red stripes added to the plastic. And rear upper not from a Turbo either

Reckon when the air con was working the passenger would have frozen 😂


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 19 August, 2020, 12:35:23 PM
I'm not sure if the bumpers have the red painted on - it's quite possible given the black is mostly paint.
I figured the first thing to look at on the inside is the aircon area. I also wanted to see what the alcantara looks like when cleaned up a little (still dark grey it turns out). So I got the piece of dash around the aircon unit, and it just came off in my hand - it wasn't attached at all! It looks like the plastic around the glovebox area has just been cut apart - could someone post a picture of what this should look like (with the glovebox open)?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50243616098_89a00069e7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jxREB5)2020-08-19_01-20-51 (https://flic.kr/p/2jxREB5) by duncancmartin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90461577@N00/), on Flickr
I'm guessing I'm going to have to chase up this piece of the dash with a continental breaker, if it's not part of the whole moulded unit (in which case maybe I need a whole dashboard?). :(
This looks like the door I have a chopped up version of: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Door-Dashboard-Instrument-Lancia-Y10-Original-182278360/174113563163?fits=Model%3AY10&hash=item2889fa221b:g:mVQAAOSwpUtd5oJx I wonder if the UK version is the same door?


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 19 August, 2020, 12:58:29 PM
I've taken some pictures of my spare dashboard which probably gives you the best view of the structure. The supports either side of the central air vent are notoriously weak so I have done a close up of that bit. I've done the actual glove box from above and below too.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 19 August, 2020, 01:05:02 PM
Thank you Frank - that's amazingly useful.
Sadly, it confirms my fears - some of the plastic that has been chopped out is part of the main moulded dashboard structure. :( I'll have to get the aircon unit out and see what's left - with any luck I can make a few steel brackets up that will allow a glovebox panel to cover the gaping hole (and maybe a small bit of alloy sheet to provide the box bit). On the bright side - if I can do all that relatively well, my new dashboard will be stiffer and sturdier than most! :) 


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 19 August, 2020, 06:27:18 PM
I removed the aircon unit - it left a giant hole, a strange bracket and an assortment of wiring.
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Also, the alcantara piece above the ashtray is completely floating, and I've no idea what the dial mounted in it is for (the toggle switch below that is an extra fan switch to help with cooling in traffic). Typical that the most sturdy thing in the entire dashboard is the ashtray (and I don't smoke)!

I will need to fabricate something or find myself another dashboard. Has anyone gone all motorsport and replaced the thing with a flocked aluminium panel?
I also need to work out where all that wiring belongs (and which bits are unnecessary).  I must get around to sorting out a shop manual.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 19 August, 2020, 07:45:37 PM
There is a workshop manual just come up on e-bay. It says Volume 2 but probably has a lot of the later models stuff relevant to your car.

On the RHD car the fuse box is behind and below the glove box and would fit in a bracket like that. Which leads to the question of where is your fuse box?

The panel above the ashtray is where the electric window switches were on earlier models. Might the knob be something to do with the air-con as the actual unit didn't seem to have much by way of controls on it?


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: fay66 on 19 August, 2020, 09:01:42 PM
There is a workshop manual just come up on e-bay. It says Volume 2 but probably has a lot of the later models stuff relevant to your car.

On the RHD car the fuse box is behind and below the glove box and would fit in a bracket like that. Which leads to the question of where is your fuse box?

The panel above the ashtray is where the electric window switches were on earlier models. Might the knob be something to do with the air-con as the actual unit didn't seem to have much by way of controls on it?
Think the series 2 manual only has the items changed with this model, but for everything else you still need the series 1 manual for everything else.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 19 August, 2020, 10:14:09 PM
Good point on the fuse box - maybe that's why there's so much wiring and relays in that area. There wasn't a box for them to fit into though. Maybe I have one in my spares bag - will have to check.  I assume this is what it should look like? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-Y10-AUTOBIANCHI-1993-1-1-37KW-3P-SCATOLA-CENTRALINA-FUSIBILI-7645203/233207698033?hash=item364c431271:g:nj0AAOSwdwlcwHsv That's fora  1.1 I guess the manual is the only way of finding out whether the GTie one is different.

And speaking of the manual, I assume this is the one? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-Y10-workshop-manual-for-2nd-series-cars-Fire-1100-and-1300cc/324266472862?hash=item4b7fc9b59e:g:Q-AAAOSw8wZfCGwK
It sounds like it would have useful information about the engine, and pertinent to my current questions, the electrics. It seems that Omicron might also have one if this webpage is accurate https://www.omicron.uk.com/parts/books-and-manuals/
I've emailed Chris Hopkins, so hopefully the library can help me out, but it's probably a good idea to get one of my own if it is a sensible price...


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 August, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
So does your car not have a fuse box somewhere? I'd be surprised if it didn't. The one on e-bay looks as I'd expect it to but don't know if it varied between models. It would be worth asking on here for parts you need before spending out loads on e-bay. I certainly wouldn't charge you £50 for a fuse box. I'm about to go away for 10 days so let's have a chat when I am back in circulation.

Brian, my Volume 2 workshop manual had masses of overlap with Volume 1 so it is well worthwhile having.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 20 August, 2020, 12:47:12 PM
I had a quick look and there's a bunch of relays (but only 1 or 2 fuses) attached to the back of that bracket. You can see them here (the camera is basically on the floor at the base of the bulkhead):
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Not the most flattering photo! :)

I haven't had a chance to look for where the fuses live yet, or to work out what the relays lying around on the floor do. I should get some time on the weekend to both drive it around a bit and also do some digging into what is where (hopefully the weather will be kind). If it's a reasonable price, I'll buy that eBay manual. I'm hoping to avoid buying a load of expensive parts from Italy, so I'll definitely be in touch with you and Trevor before I go down that route. :) Thanks for all your help so far.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 August, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
I think you'll find the fuse box is on the left under the small glove box (Same side as a RHD car) and your bracket is for all those relays to clip into to keep them tidy.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 21 August, 2020, 06:25:21 PM
Yes, the fuse box is there under the little glovebox. There's definitely some non standard wiring running from it, so I guess I should investigate where that goes soon.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 22 August, 2020, 03:40:21 PM
I decided I would clean the interior out and generally make it a bit nicer today, so I vacuumed it and cleaned the carpet, all the seats and the door cards. Would the carpet have originally been black?  It looks like it under the mats in the boot, but the front seat floors are really pale:
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I have some carpet dye kicking around from when I dyed my 924 carpets, so if it should be black, I'll have a go with that. The carpet in the passenger side is really fluffy too, so I'll have to smooth that off a bit.

The drivers seat has splits in it, so I'll leave the cover on until I can do something with that, but the other seats cleaned up nicely, and they are so much nicer than those boy racer style covers.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50255398492_22e10cca94_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jyU46N)IMG_20200822_131250 (https://flic.kr/p/2jyU46N) by duncancmartin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90461577@N00/), on Flickr

You can see how much they have faded in this picture:
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I'm going to take it for a little blast tomorrow if I get a chance. I had a bit of a heart stopping moment when neither of the keys would open the fuel filler cap, but it was just stuck, and it worked in the end (little key). So it could do with a drive and then a refill - I assume super unleaded is probably a good idea in these things?


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: nyssa7 on 23 August, 2020, 09:37:41 AM
Normal unleaded petrol is fine, super would be a waste. GTie very unstressed but plenty of power in a car that weighs in ounces, so 40mpg still the norm when not being silly

Canít answer about the carpets, only seen those seats on lefties and not sure what carpets were used to match


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: mikeC on 23 August, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
I have owned several cars (not Lancias) over the years with original black carpets that have bleached to a light beige/buff colour. Those look like original carpets to me, so your idea of re-dying them sounds good.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 23 August, 2020, 11:20:02 AM
Thanks Mike, I think that's probably the best plan. And it's free as well. :)

I've just been out for a quick blast, and it's so much fun. The pedals are really close together which took a little getting used to, and every time I went over a sharp edged bump the dashboard felt like it was going to fall off, but it just wants you to throw it around corners, and while the steering is heavy at low speed it's great when you are on the move. Would be nice if I could see the speedo (or the rev counter) through the steering wheel, but it's all kph anyway, so it's not a huge amount of use!

Putting the window down gave me quite a strong whiff of petrol - I guess that's got to go above the interior on the list of things to fix. Might just be the exhaust - if I remember properly it was an advisory on the last couple of MOTs. Will have to investigate when I next get half an hour...


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 23 August, 2020, 02:15:21 PM
Canít answer about the carpets, only seen those seats on lefties and not sure what carpets were used to match
That's a shame, I was hoping that these were standard GTie seats and I might be able to find another drivers seat to replace my worn one. I guess the cloth probably isn't available either (though that would be a massive undertaking as it would have to be done for all seats given how faded they are). Do you know if the LHD seats are different to the RHD ones?

One other interior question - do you know what the little alcantara trim piece above the ashtray is for?  It's been drilled for a dial and is not actually attached to anything on my dash so it's just bouncing around, and I was wondering if it was supposed to have a useful function or if it was just there to fill space.

Thanks
Duncan


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 August, 2020, 04:29:14 PM
Those do look nice seats which have faded a huge amount, so very feasible that the carpet would have faded a similar amount.
Just convert it to rhd and you'd have a better drivers seat  ;D


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: eog on 24 August, 2020, 09:17:52 AM
Perhaps not the most professional way but Ö
Try a dust coat of black aerosol paint on the carpets, no chance of the dye bleeding and it dries quickly!


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 24 August, 2020, 09:30:08 AM
When I did the 924, I took the seats out and then used a plant sprayer to spray the dye on, then worked it with a sponge (while remembering to wear rubber gloves!). It took a whole weekend to dry, but that wasn't so bad, and it made a big difference. And I have a litre or 2 of dye left, so I could easily do all the carpet in the Y10. It's not top of my priority list though.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: nyssa7 on 24 August, 2020, 11:02:58 AM
Canít answer about the carpets, only seen those seats on lefties and not sure what carpets were used to match
That's a shame, I was hoping that these were standard GTie seats and I might be able to find another drivers seat to replace my worn one. I guess the cloth probably isn't available either (though that would be a massive undertaking as it would have to be done for all seats given how faded they are). Do you know if the LHD seats are different to the RHD ones?

One other interior question - do you know what the little alcantara trim piece above the ashtray is for?  It's been drilled for a dial and is not actually attached to anything on my dash so it's just bouncing around, and I was wondering if it was supposed to have a useful function or if it was just there to fill space.

Thanks
Duncan

Iím guessing they are standard EU spec GTie seats, all the UK ones I have seen came with the Alcantara seats - shame I just sold my set to Frank 🙀 although I have another set in beige - but they wouldnít match the grey trim on your dash

Itís just a blanking panel normally, fixed into place and serving no purpose other than filling a gap


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: m tulloch on 24 August, 2020, 07:06:18 PM
Thanks Mike, I think that's probably the best plan. And it's free as well. :)

I've just been out for a quick blast, and it's so much fun. The pedals are really close together which took a little getting used to, and every time I went over a sharp edged bump the dashboard felt like it was going to fall off, but it just wants you to throw it around corners, and while the steering is heavy at low speed it's great when you are on the move. Would be nice if I could see the speedo (or the rev counter) through the steering wheel, but it's all kph anyway, so it's not a huge amount of use!

Putting the window down gave me quite a strong whiff of petrol - I guess that's got to go above the interior on the list of things to fix. Might just be the exhaust - if I remember properly it was an advisory on the last couple of MOTs. Will have to investigate when I next get half an hour...
If you post up a picture of your dials, I'll look & see whether the instrument binnacle I have could yield you an MPH speedo.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 25 August, 2020, 08:55:28 AM
Thanks Mike, I think that's probably the best plan. And it's free as well. :)

I've just been out for a quick blast, and it's so much fun. The pedals are really close together which took a little getting used to, and every time I went over a sharp edged bump the dashboard felt like it was going to fall off, but it just wants you to throw it around corners, and while the steering is heavy at low speed it's great when you are on the move. Would be nice if I could see the speedo (or the rev counter) through the steering wheel, but it's all kph anyway, so it's not a huge amount of use!

Putting the window down gave me quite a strong whiff of petrol - I guess that's got to go above the interior on the list of things to fix. Might just be the exhaust - if I remember properly it was an advisory on the last couple of MOTs. Will have to investigate when I next get half an hour...
If you post up a picture of your dials, I'll look & see whether the instrument binnacle I have could yield you an MPH speedo.
That's an interesting idea. I was planning on just sticking a mobile phone with GPS speedo to the windscreen, but a working speedo would probably be better! Is this  agood enough picture?
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Thanks
Duncan


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: m tulloch on 26 August, 2020, 09:04:36 AM
I'll have a look today & send you a picture of what I have.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: lancialulu on 26 August, 2020, 09:28:06 AM
Putting the window down gave me quite a strong whiff of petrol - I guess that's got to go above the interior on the list of things to fix. Might just be the exhaust - if I remember properly it was an advisory on the last couple of MOTs. Will have to investigate when I next get half an hour...
HI I hope you found the cause of petrol wiff. I would check all rubber fuel hoses especially on the underside.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: m tulloch on 26 August, 2020, 05:15:37 PM
Had a good look today but couldn't find the Y10 instruments I used to have, sorry. I did find the dash from one of my old Deltas though! ???


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 26 August, 2020, 06:02:24 PM
Had a good look today but couldn't find the Y10 instruments I used to have, sorry. I did find the dash from one of my old Deltas though! ???
No problem, thanks for looking.  :)


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 28 August, 2020, 04:52:04 PM
That manual turned up this afternoon. That's this weekend's reading sorted. :)

If it ever stops raining I'll put some cardboard underneath it and see if anything drips on it. When I can get it up in the air then I'll give all the hoses a good inspection. I was considering if I should just replace all the rubber hoses - they could probably do with it if they are 30 years old.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 02 September, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
The trim panel above the ashtray is where the window switches were mounted on earlier models. The Touring had a row of four switches because the rear side windows opened electrically too.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 02 September, 2020, 02:48:50 PM
OK, sounds like it should just be a blanking plate on mine then.
The manual is a bit strange.  There's a load of useful information in the sections titled "Introduction Technical Data", "Engine", "Electrical Equipment", "Auxiliary Units" and "Bodywork", and absolutely nothing in Clutch, Gearbox Differential, Braking System, Steering, Suspensions and Wheels. There's also an appendix for the selectronic stuff. I guess all the missing information is unchanged from Volume 1.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: peteracs on 02 September, 2020, 05:06:31 PM
Hi Duncan

Given the horror stories about modern fuel and old rubber pipes, I would change out all the rubber pipes for branded ethanol tolerant (R9?) pipes. There are also stories about unbranded R6 pipes being relabelled, so better to buy branded from reputable supplier, my personal view.

This then leaves the question of what to do about the rubber components internal to the likes of carburettor.

Peter


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: fay66 on 02 September, 2020, 06:56:57 PM
OK, sounds like it should just be a blanking plate on mine then.
The manual is a bit strange.  There's a load of useful information in the sections titled "Introduction Technical Data", "Engine", "Electrical Equipment", "Auxiliary Units" and "Bodywork", and absolutely nothing in Clutch, Gearbox Differential, Braking System, Steering, Suspensions and Wheels. There's also an appendix for the selectronic stuff. I guess all the missing information is unchanged from Volume 1.
This usually the case with all the Lancia models.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 September, 2020, 10:56:33 AM
Brakes, steering, suspension etc are covered in the Fiat Panda Haynes Manual which is handy to have because it doesn't tell you to get out a special tool to do something simple.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 03 September, 2020, 11:36:35 AM
Brakes, steering, suspension etc are covered in the Fiat Panda Haynes Manual which is handy to have because it doesn't tell you to get out a special tool to do something simple.

That's a good idea. There are a million on eBay, with a bunch of different years - I assume they are all basically equivalent?


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: lancialulu on 03 September, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
Brakes, steering, suspension etc are covered in the Fiat Panda Haynes Manual which is handy to have because it doesn't tell you to get out a special tool to do something simple.

The club has loads of special tools For hire for Y10!!! But a big hammer and blunt instrument may suffice....


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 September, 2020, 07:03:27 PM
On the Haynes Manual I use the green one that runs up to 1995 because that better matches the Y10. Stuff the Y10 had was passed on to the next generation of Panda so early Pandas are less similar.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 05 September, 2020, 03:56:13 PM
Quick question - what size tyres are people using, on the car and the spare?
The car and the spare have 175 70 R13 on - the manual says it should have 155 70 R13 or 165 65 R13, and the spare should be 135 SR 13, but doesn't give a middle number. I need to change the spare tyre as this one won't fit under the bonnet - is it worth changing the tyres on the car (these ones are clearly too big)? And are there any specific ones to choose/avoid? They are all pleasingly cheap at this size.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Kevinlincs on 05 September, 2020, 04:59:44 PM
Standard size should be 155/70R13 on yours, was on my gtie and the brochure agress. Smaller models came with 135R13.
The 175/70R13 will be too tall and overgearing it, 165/65s will be similar rolling circumference to the 155/70 but as you say the 155s are cheap as chips so why bother. Makes them more fun to drive too  ;D
As for brands most are of a decent quality nowadays.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 05 September, 2020, 06:33:04 PM
I'm on 155/70 R13s all round on mine including the spare which is on a steel wheel. I ran 135s for a long time which I thought rather suited the Fire 1.0 engine but am perfectly happy with the 155s.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Kevinlincs on 05 September, 2020, 06:53:16 PM
I'd think the 135s on a FIRE would be well suited, make for an entertaining drive. If I didn't have a set of decent 155/70s I'd look at them for mine.  ;)


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: lancialulu on 05 September, 2020, 07:58:34 PM
Quick question - what size tyres are people using, on the car and the spare?
The car and the spare have 175 70 R13 on - the manual says it should have 155 70 R13 or 165 65 R13, and the spare should be 135 SR 13, but doesn't give a middle number. I need to change the spare tyre as this one won't fit under the bonnet - is it worth changing the tyres on the car (these ones are clearly too big)? And are there any specific ones to choose/avoid? They are all pleasingly cheap at this size.
If a middle number is not quoted it is fair to assume standard ratio (today 80 but would have been 82).


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: fay66 on 05 September, 2020, 10:20:39 PM
Quick question - what size tyres are people using, on the car and the spare?
The car and the spare have 175 70 R13 on - the manual says it should have 155 70 R13 or 165 65 R13, and the spare should be 135 SR 13, but doesn't give a middle number. I need to change the spare tyre as this one won't fit under the bonnet - is it worth changing the tyres on the car (these ones are clearly too big)? And are there any specific ones to choose/avoid? They are all pleasingly cheap at this size.
Amazed you can even turn the steering with those on, my GTie was heavy enough on the standard tyres, so much so my wife couldn't drive it, and the understeer into corners when the wheel loaded up!
Our Y10 fire was much nicer to drive, the Brazilian iron lump of an engine added to the wide wheels and tyres, spoilt the Y10 driving experience, and the improved performance didn't make up for that.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: m tulloch on 06 September, 2020, 04:26:43 PM
Brakes, steering, suspension etc are covered in the Fiat Panda Haynes Manual which is handy to have because it doesn't tell you to get out a special tool to do something simple.

That's a good idea. There are a million on eBay, with a bunch of different years - I assume they are all basically equivalent?

I've got Haynes manuals for both the early & late Pandas in my garage going spare if you need them. PM me if you're interested.

Cheers.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 06 September, 2020, 04:34:02 PM
Thanks for the offer, but I've managed to buy the green one and the blue one on eBay for in under a tenner delivered - they should arrive in a couple of days


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 20 September, 2020, 12:50:43 PM
155 70 R13 fitted today.  Made a massive difference to the low speed manoeuvrability and the the driving dynamics. :) £40 a corner as well - I got 5 tyres for less than the cost of 2 fronts on my daily. As an added bonus the spare now fits under the bonnet, but I don't seem to have a nut to hold it down in there - is there a special nut or is it just a case of finding something that fits and a large washer to hold the wheel?

The little drive I did in it afterwards was much nicer with these tyres, but it's not running quite right - it's fine with significant throttle or no throttle, but on light throttle it feels a a little jittery like it doesn't want to hold a constant speed. It also feels like it's running rich - there's a definite fuel smell, though it doesn't look like it's dripping anywhere. Could these be linked? I know nothing about this engine (will have to read the manual). It's not been driven much, and it isn't especially happy when first started, but when it gets going then it's fine.
The other thing I noticed was that on bumpy roads, and especially when not accelerating, the gearbox linkage was clanging quite a lot (like someone playing a triangle in there!). I know it's the linkage, because it goes away if I put my hand on the gear lever. Is this a known thing, and does it mean it needs adjusting (or bushings replacing or something)?


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: m tulloch on 20 September, 2020, 03:24:23 PM
Is it one of these you're after for the spare wheel?


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 21 September, 2020, 07:05:47 AM
It looks like there's a bolt already installed on the strut top, so I probably just need a nut and the domed washer thing.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 21 September, 2020, 09:10:26 AM
The spare wheel is retained by a large white plastic disc that screws onto the threaded post in the middle of the spare wheel as shown in an quick image search on google.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 21 September, 2020, 11:53:06 AM
I saw that, but I thought it was a metal thing similar to what Matt posted. I've had a dig through the spares that came with the car, and I don't have one - is it basically one of these?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-cavalier-Mk3-Spare-Wheel-Retainer-Nut/164360139532?hash=item2644a0b30c:g:Ri0AAOSwBXRfS7iS

I have the tool clip thing and the jack for the other side sat in the boot, so I'll try to install that later as well. :)


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 21 September, 2020, 04:36:56 PM
Yes it's like that but I couldn't guarantee that one has the same thread.

This might help with getting the tool carrier the right way round.


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: fay66 on 21 September, 2020, 10:23:13 PM
155 70 R13 fitted today.  Made a massive difference to the low speed manoeuvrability and the the driving dynamics. :) £40 a corner as well - I got 5 tyres for less than the cost of 2 fronts on my daily. As an added bonus the spare now fits under the bonnet, but I don't seem to have a nut to hold it down in there - is there a special nut or is it just a case of finding something that fits and a large washer to hold the wheel?

The little drive I did in it afterwards was much nicer with these tyres, but it's not running quite right - it's fine with significant throttle or no throttle, but on light throttle it feels a a little jittery like it doesn't want to hold a constant speed. It also feels like it's running rich - there's a definite fuel smell, though it doesn't look like it's dripping anywhere. Could these be linked? I know nothing about this engine (will have to read the manual). It's not been driven much, and it isn't especially happy when first started, but when it gets going then it's fine.
The other thing I noticed was that on bumpy roads, and especially when not accelerating, the gearbox linkage was clanging quite a lot (like someone playing a triangle in there!). I know it's the linkage, because it goes away if I put my hand on the gear lever. Is this a known thing, and does it mean it needs adjusting (or bushings replacing or something)?
It's worth replacing all the bushes etc of the gear change as otherwise you finish up not being able to tell even what gear you're in, on the back of the gearbox is a large swivel tree and an awful lot of the gear change problems emenate from wear there.
Well worth doing.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: Duncan23 on 22 September, 2020, 09:51:47 AM
155 70 R13 fitted today.  Made a massive difference to the low speed manoeuvrability and the the driving dynamics. :) £40 a corner as well - I got 5 tyres for less than the cost of 2 fronts on my daily. As an added bonus the spare now fits under the bonnet, but I don't seem to have a nut to hold it down in there - is there a special nut or is it just a case of finding something that fits and a large washer to hold the wheel?

The little drive I did in it afterwards was much nicer with these tyres, but it's not running quite right - it's fine with significant throttle or no throttle, but on light throttle it feels a a little jittery like it doesn't want to hold a constant speed. It also feels like it's running rich - there's a definite fuel smell, though it doesn't look like it's dripping anywhere. Could these be linked? I know nothing about this engine (will have to read the manual). It's not been driven much, and it isn't especially happy when first started, but when it gets going then it's fine.
The other thing I noticed was that on bumpy roads, and especially when not accelerating, the gearbox linkage was clanging quite a lot (like someone playing a triangle in there!). I know it's the linkage, because it goes away if I put my hand on the gear lever. Is this a known thing, and does it mean it needs adjusting (or bushings replacing or something)?
It's worth replacing all the bushes etc of the gear change as otherwise you finish up not being able to tell even what gear you're in, on the back of the gearbox is a large swivel tree and an awful lot of the gear change problems emenate from wear there.
Well worth doing.
Brian
8227  8)
It's not covered in my Y10 manual - I assume it's the same as the Panda gear linkage? Is it the late model version like this one: https://www.ricambio.co.uk/gear-lever-linkage-bush-repair-kit-classic-fiat-panda-1
Are there other suitable parts suppliers before I venture onto eBay (ricambio only have the kit for the early models in stock).

Thanks for the picture Frank, the toolkit and jack fit nicely in the gap:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50371211002_4f9d261882_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jK8C8d)2020-09-22_10-49-55 (https://flic.kr/p/2jK8C8d) by duncancmartin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90461577@N00/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Y10 GTie (LHD)
Post by: frankxhv773t on 22 September, 2020, 11:30:17 AM
That's only the gear linkage as far as the engine bay fire wall. There's joints from there to the gear box but they're maybe a pain to get to with the engine in situ. I agree though that those bits will probably stop the lever rattling.