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Model Technical and Interest => Aprilia, Ardennes and Ardea => Topic started by: Tony Stephens on 08 January, 2019, 05:04:37 PM



Title: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: Tony Stephens on 08 January, 2019, 05:04:37 PM
I have always rather liked the early Aprilia wheels.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me there should be plenty in garages and sheds, unusable because the rolled rims have rusted through.
If possible, I would like to look at a project to recondition a batch with newly-made rolled rims as original.
I have an original drawing: does anyone have a rusted wheel to lend me to get this idea going?


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: GG on 08 January, 2019, 10:13:23 PM
Cavalitto has remade Aurelia wheels. Maybe talk to him?


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: Raahauge on 08 January, 2019, 10:48:25 PM
Tony.
I have a wheel you can have, I could get Ian Ferguson to take it to TOPO if that suits.
Mike


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: Tony Stephens on 09 January, 2019, 09:09:21 AM
That would be perfect, Mike.
I am there on 17th for a Committee meeting.
Thank you very much.
Tony


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: Tony Stephens on 09 January, 2019, 09:14:41 AM
Geoff, I am a repairer and a skinflint when possible. Mostly these wheels will have rusted long before the centres have reached end of life.


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: will on 09 January, 2019, 11:16:46 AM
I have a couple of B20 wheels with the rolled rim which have rusted through
can they be repaired ?

Cavattlito sells the 5/6th series wheels without the rolled rim  https://www.oldlanciaspares.com/470-lancia-AURELIAA-sparepart-wheel-for-5---6-serie.php
 


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: williamcorke on 09 January, 2019, 02:00:28 PM
Cavalitto has remade Aurelia wheels. Maybe talk to him?


But not the rolled-rim ones, unless I missed that.

I am definitely (with Will How, and probably others) in the market for re-rolled-rimming of early Aurelia wheels.


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: the.cern on 10 January, 2019, 08:16:06 AM
...... and could we add Augusta into the mix please!!

                                      Andy


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: Tony Stephens on 17 January, 2019, 07:57:17 AM
What I find out will be helpful for other models. You need a drawing first.


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: Tony Stephens on 17 January, 2019, 08:01:51 AM
In the mean time, the sample wheel has turned out not to be Aprilia, although what it is, is a mystery ( detail differences in width, offset etc).
So, many thanks indeed to Mike Raahauge for helping, but I am still on the search!


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: JohnMillham on 17 January, 2019, 11:25:45 AM
Are they Augusta, perhaps?


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: brian on 18 January, 2019, 09:43:02 AM
Agree rolled rims a problem. It would be interesting to know the costs involved but so few B10s about it may be for me that the run would be so small as to be uneconomic.
In the good old days when I did a few Historic Alpine Rallies in the B10, I used 2 sets of Flaminia wheels and had the rims cut off and replaced with Rover 3.5L 15 rims so I could use modern rubber. Interestingly I needed fewer balance weights than on my standard wheels. My original standard B10 wheels appear (use the word with caution!) ok at the moment but I still have the rally wheels + tyres stacked in a corner of the garage.
My Augusta had awful rims and I found a place (from memory) in Salisbury which re-spoked the wheels keeping the centres but putting on standard 16 rims for which it is very easy to find tyres.  They said that the 400 rim was difficult to source. Again balancing used less added weights than the original. I calculated the difference in circumference and it was only a few % and I suspect unnoticeable when driving.


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: williamcorke on 18 January, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
Few B10 (and 21, 22, 50) but wouldn't the same rims apply to B20 series 1-4 (early 4 at least), which would widen the potential market considerably.

Below is a possibly useful drawing (credit to GG's Lanciaaurelia.info website). Did S1 Aurelia berlinas and coupes have different width wheels?



Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: lancialulu on 18 January, 2019, 03:48:56 PM
B12 also is 165 x 400 Michelin Pilot type as is B24 etc


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: ben on 18 January, 2019, 06:58:17 PM
Hi Tony
          I have several S1 Aprilia wheels with rusted out rolled rims but good centres that I could contribute.

         However I am not in need of any for myself at present.

                   Ben 


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: GG on 18 January, 2019, 08:33:24 PM
Sometimes there can be an issue with the early wheels of straightness of the rim mounted to the hub in that the thin metal diaphragm that connects the two gets tired and out of plumb after very long periods of sitting in one position (say after 20+ years). It makes it very difficult to straighten the wheels - its not a balance problem, but rather an alignment issue. One guy fixed the wheels on the Appia, but no luck with the early s.2 B20 wheels. Managed to find a set of steel Borannis (truly) which weigh just about the same as the Lancia originals (~17 lbs I think) but track straighter.

Cutting the rim off may allow for different tires, but not too sure thats such a good idea, as too much tire will put added side stress on the sliding pillar internals. Would rather welcome any thoughts on how to fix the diaphragm on the early wheels. 


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: JohnMillham on 19 January, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
B12 also is 165 x 400 Michelin Pilot type as is B24 etc
I think the Michelin Pilote tyres were cross ply and Aurelias would have had radials as standard. The tread patterns were much the same as Xs.


Title: Re: Early Aprilia wheels.
Post by: Tony Stephens on 20 January, 2019, 12:04:37 PM
Thanks Ben, I will bear that in mind when we seem likely to meet