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Title: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 18 November, 2018, 04:21:43 PM
Hi, better introduce myself, my new car and ask for some advice.  My names is Ian, a long standing car enthusiast, and I have wanted a Fulvia since I was young.  I had a poster of a works car on the Monte Carlo rally when I was young and the beautiful, elegant shape is ingrained in my mind.  Guess you all get that.
The only thing stopping, or delaying, me from getting one is a 20 year love affair with an old 911.  However, this year a great opportunity presented and I finally bought my Fulvia and then had to figure out how to tell the long haired bank manager about it.  We got over that fairly quickly when she saw it and later said she might quite like to drive it, something she has never said about the 911.
It is a '73 Series 2 1.3S in red with a cream vinyl interior.  Nothing special in the big scheme of things but achingly beautiful. 
The car has been sitting in a show room for 17 years and has not run in that time.  It seems very complete and standard, apart from a fibre glass bonnet which was explained by the garage. 
My plan is to give it a thorough service, including the brakes, drawing and flus( the fuel system, fit electronic ignition and drive it once it has been through MoT.  This will just be a sanity check that all is well as the car is exempt.
Three questions for now please;
I have noticed Lumenition and 123 seem to be the readily available ones.  Could I please get views/facts on which one to go for
The brake fluid reservoir seems to have a weep/seep around the ring of bolts holding the plastic tank to the metal body.  Is this a simple gasket change and if so from where?
Finally (for now) I see a few people have fitted a Filter King, I assume to improve fuel filtration.  Is this the best option?
Look forward to your responses

Thank you

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: davidwheeler on 18 November, 2018, 05:20:17 PM
I fitted a Filter King to follow the electric fuel pump I installed in the boot to obviate the necessity to churn the engine for half a minute to pump fuel through the mechanical pump and up to the carbs.  The Filter King is then used to regulate fuel pressure (though it is possible to find low pressure pumps suitable for carbs).     I would suggest an inline filter as well, before the pump, as the fuel tank is likely to be pretty mucky.    Make friends with Omicron who will give very good advice (as well as selling you expensive but good quality spares including some made from unobtanium).
You may be lucky enough to have unworn carbs but many leak around the spindles and need to be rebushed (Omicron) in order to get a steady tickover.    I would suspect the accelerator pump diaphragms as well as the rubber carb mount.    There should be a support to stop the carbs from waggling around but the rubber is still liable to harden and crack.     Also, increase the "slow" running jets from 50 to 60 to cope with modern petrol and run it always on super grade of at least 96 octane (Tesco do 99 octane which seems to work especially well).   I wish I had had a fibreglass bonnet incdentally!
Don't forget to fit a complete set of new tyres, the ones on it will be iron hard and have zero grip (Sorry, Grandmother, eggs).
Yes, brake fluid reservoir is simple gasket (so far as I remember).   See various threads about vacuum servo and study the technical information thread.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 18 November, 2018, 05:36:05 PM
Excellent, some good advice here, thank you David.  I had planned on changing the tyres for the reason you state.  Are there any recommended ones?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: simonandjuliet on 18 November, 2018, 06:54:11 PM
Re gasket change on the master cylindre, take care with the small allen bolts holding the plastic cover on, they can corrode horribly due to steel/al electrolytic action. If you shear one then it will be a pain to drill out and replace it/them - may then involve removing the m/c - and that is best avoided unless absolutely necessary

Soak well in your favourite un-seizing (dťgrippant) liquid beforehand

Re ignition - consider the keeping the standard set up, it is very reliable in my opinion. I had an intermittent fault that was difficult to identify and was eventually traced back to the electronic ignition

Welcome to Fulvia motoring !


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 18 November, 2018, 07:38:27 PM
Thanks Simon, useful tip on the MC and Iíve got some Wurth penetrating oil which is quite good.  Itís good to know that the points are not all bad, but I think ive convinced myself there is likely more trouble in points than electronic ignition.  I will continue to canvass option for a short while though.

Any more thoughts and recommendations?

Thank you

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 18 November, 2018, 08:09:19 PM
Thanks Simon, useful tip on the MC and Iíve got some Wurth penetrating oil which is quite good.  Itís good to know that the points are not all bad, but I think ive convinced myself there is likely more trouble in points than electronic ignition.  I will continue to canvass option for a short while though.

Any more thoughts and recommendations?

Thank you

Ian
A number of years ago  I fitted a simple ignition unit that just uses the points as a switch, while all the load is taken by the electronic unit.
Only failed me once in that time, which was down to something I did.
Because the points don't wear, once the initial wear of the heel has taken place and you've readjusted the points, I haven't had to reset mine for years, just check them every now and again
Brian
8227
 8)


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 18 November, 2018, 08:41:11 PM
Thanks for this Brian, so we seem to have more votes for points at the moment.  Interesting!


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: ColinMarr on 18 November, 2018, 08:52:59 PM
The master-cylinder to reservoir seal is a large rubber 'o' ring that sits in a groove in the plastic reservoir. If you can't find one to fit, I think I have one spare.
Colin


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 18 November, 2018, 08:58:46 PM
Thanks Colin, I will bear that in mind if I struggle to find one.  Much appreciated.

Regards

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: rogerelias on 18 November, 2018, 10:22:29 PM
Welcome to Fulvia ownership, you will love it.Re points versus electronic, I have stayed with points,on my 1600HF and have never had a problem, I just keep a spare set and a condensor in the car,as a just in case moment. Tyres ,I am running Firestone, but mine are a different size to yours. One last bit of advice, ENJOY


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 19 November, 2018, 07:25:46 AM
Thanks Roger and I do hope to enjoy it once itís running, especially having read a few test reports


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: stanley sweet on 19 November, 2018, 09:45:36 AM
I will have owned my 1971 1.3S for 25 years tomorrow. I still can't think of another car I'd rather have when it comes to looks, performance, handling, visibility, boot space, cheap insurance etc. There are a handful that always attract my attention like the Alpine 110, Alfa Bertone coupes etc but the 110 would be a squeeze for me at 6' 1" and no practical boot space (and huge prices now). As far as the others are concerned, I wouldn't risk any disappointment. A case of the devil I know. For the money, a Fulvia is still the best engineered sports car around (I'm biased). You'll really enjoy yours once it's sorted.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 19 November, 2018, 07:37:43 PM
Thanks Stanley.  Iíve had my 911 20 years and echo everything you have said about your Fulvia in the 911. I look forward very much to understanding how it will feel in comparison, although I wonít be comparing (if that makes sense)

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 19 November, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
Thank you all for your responses so far.  The next question relates to the rear bumper.  It was wobbly when I got the car home and when I undid the two mounting bolts I quickly found out why.  I can see you all nodding, knowing what the problem is!  The mild steel mounting bracket on one side, which is welded to the stainless bumper blade, has rusted nearly through.  Does anyone repair these?  Nice without the bumpers though.......

Thank you

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: frankxhv773t on 19 November, 2018, 09:18:48 PM
Another point on fuel pumps is that some people fit an electric pump just for priming then switch it off when the engine starts.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 19 November, 2018, 09:25:56 PM
Oh dear, is the standard set up so weak it needs this?  Is this common on a standard 1.3 S or more for HFs and similar?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 20 November, 2018, 01:53:42 AM
Oh dear, is the standard set up so weak it needs this?  Is this common on a standard 1.3 S or more for HFs and similar?
Nothing weak about it, a Fulvia including my 1091cc 2c Berlina that has the the two twin choke carburettors will start using the right procedure for your Fulvia which is a bit of a suck it and see situation when you first try starting one.
But, all fulvias will churn over on the starter and eventually fire after dragging the fuel up, but if you have any mechanical sympathy its painful to the ear and you need a good battery, all the electric pumps do is pull the fuel up without having to grind the engine over on the starter, once the fuel has been pulled up I then switch the electric pump off
And start the car normally.
The electric pump can also be used as a back up if at any time the mechanical pump fails.
Some however have completely replaced the mechanical pump and use an electric pum only.
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: chriswgawne on 20 November, 2018, 02:16:19 PM
Congratulations on your purchase. I am sure that you will enjoy it once you have done the necessary fettling.
Regarding tyres there are various posts on this forum about Fulvia tyres and quite a few owners are using Falken Sincera tyres with good results.

The electric fuel pump decision is yours but can I suggest you keep the mechanical fuel pump in the circuit as well? If in good condition they are very reliable and electric pumps do only have a certain life. Maybe if you fit an electric pump (our daily driver throughout the year is a Fulvia GT or GTE with no electric pump) , just use it for priming after the car has sat for a while.

Jacky and I are fortunate enough to have each been Fulvia owners & drivers since 1972 to date and aircooled 911 owners and drivers since 1986 to date (currently early narrow bopdied Carrera 2 Coupe non varioram which is a joy to drive and a late 993 twin Turbo which is seriously quick).
Fulvias and 911s are obviously two totally different cars but both exhibit great design and quality of engineering although sadly not the same quality of build bodywise. I know 911's rust but at least Porsche addressed the problem properly in the late 70's. Both models both drive totally differently and yet both are great fun and very effective driving machines with great cross country 'A road' performance.

Mind you, we both think our standard Integrale Evo 2 has the slight edge on both of them on that sort of drive.
Chris


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 20 November, 2018, 09:03:35 PM
Brian, Chris,
Thank you both for your advice.  The key thing is reliable motoring really, hence my thoughts on electronic ignition etc.  How do you determine whether the mechanical fuel pump is in good condition, is there a recommended flow rate or pressure it should achieve?

Any thoughts also on the rear bumper problem I mentioned earlier?

Thank you

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: stanley sweet on 20 November, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
You don't have to worry about reliability unless you really prefer electronic ignition. I've driven without any ignition problems for 25 years with the standard points set up. Electric fuel pump,  either to prime or use permanently was the best thing I've fitted. Really saves the battery especially as most Fulvias are fun cars that aren't used every day. Some people fit an electric pump with a Filter King fuel pressure regulator. A search should bring up the threads. Can't help with the bumper problem.....


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: chriswgawne on 21 November, 2018, 05:01:58 AM
I agree with Stanley. If the distributor is in good order there is no real need for electronic ignition. And a supplementary electric fuel pump is a good idea if the car is only used occasionally. We use our Fulvias very regularly so no problem with the original mechanical set up.
Chris


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: nistri on 21 November, 2018, 08:19:37 AM
Quite often the distributor is not in good condition: try to move by hand the rotor arm up and down and see if there is a lot of play. If so, the distributor stem needs new shims, otherwise the timing is erratic all the time at each revolution. This occurs because few people regularly add a couple of oil drops to the hole in the distributor baseplate: on some distributors the hole is marked "oil", not on all of them, Andrea


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: davidwheeler on 21 November, 2018, 02:44:41 PM
Re. tyres, there are di scussions elsewhere regarding tyre sizes and various wheels!   My 1600 is on alloys and I use http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Firestone/Multihawk.htm   which seemed a reasonable combination of grip and fuel economy and cost very little more than Kumho.    I don't use the car so much in the winter and don't drive quite so fast as I did and they suit me well but chaqu'un a son gout.   Of course, really you should fit Cinturato!


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 21 November, 2018, 04:16:16 PM
Quite often the distributor is not in good condition: try to move by hand the rotor arm up and down and see if there is a lot of play. If so, the distributor stem needs new shims, otherwise the timing is erratic all the time at each revolution. This occurs because few people regularly add a couple of oil drops to the hole in the distributor baseplate: on some distributors the hole is marked "oil", not on all of them, Andrea
Thanks Andrea,
Very similar to my 911 which I do oil, good advice.  So if the distributor is tired/poorly maintained what would you do?  Fit another one or go for the 123 option?

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 21 November, 2018, 04:18:17 PM
Thank you to those commenting with good advice on fuel pumps.  It feels like the best route is a permanent electric fuel pump alone, do away with the mechanical one in case its performance is variable.  More food for thought (and a growing shopping list)

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: lancialulu on 21 November, 2018, 04:48:25 PM
Never known a fispa type mech pump be "variable" in performance and has already been said they are reliable. If you go electric only you can get a blanking plate for the mech pump (from Omicron) this saves the engine from working a redundant pump (if original ie 50 years old they start to leak engine oil over time) and gains a 1000th hp. Fit a filter king down stream of the pump (most fit silver top Facet in the offside front inner wing) - 3psi is setting for the filter king.

Re tyres 165 14 80 are available by Barum (Brilliantis II) at very reasonable prices and handle/look very good.

 


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: will on 21 November, 2018, 07:49:17 PM
The answer is to fit an electric pump in parallel to the mechanical pump
with a switch for the electric pump.
Makes starting the car when its been standing for a few days much
easier by turning the electric pump before starting. My B20 started first press of the starter button today. It also
helps with the new petrol on hot days. On the Appia it helps on steep hills.
If the electric pump fails you can get home on the mechanical.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: nistri on 22 November, 2018, 07:53:20 AM
Ref: distributor. It is often possible to pull out the distributor and reshim it at its gear end. The free play should be 0.1 mm, not more. You will need a small punch to drift out the split pin.
A good way to check for distributor wear is to see if the ignition timing is the same for #1 and #4 cylinder: if it is not, then it is distributor wear, timing chain wear etc.

Electronic ignition: on some Fulvias I fitted it and not to others. These modules mighty be prone to trouble due to high engine bay temperature and vibrations. You should however fit an electronic voltage regulator as the old type sooner or later will fail.
All my Fulvias have electric fuel pump in parallel (Facet model). Andrea 


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 22 November, 2018, 09:53:48 PM
Thank you all so far, great advice.  So the Facet goes on the list and a Filter King.  Does anyone have a photo of a Facet installed in the engine bay?

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: stanley sweet on 23 November, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
Here's mine which I think is a pretty typical set up for the pump. It's a Facet Silver Top. I haven't yet got around to fitting a Filter King but these tend to be mounted by drilling and bolting through the lip that overhangs above on the wheelarch box section. Since this photo was taken I have replaced all the piping with the original style green transparent type. I was convinced by an opinion of long time Fulvia owner Chris Gawne. That was the fact that he has known rubber piping to develop unseen cracks that he has seen spray fuel, whereas although the plastic type hardens over time it never cracks. Looks nicer too.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 23 November, 2018, 01:57:12 PM
Here's mine which I think is a pretty typical set up for the pump. It's a Facet Silver Top. I haven't yet got around to fitting a Filter King but these tend to be mounted by drilling and bolting through the lip that overhangs above on the wheelarch box section. Since this photo was taken I have replaced all the piping with the original style green transparent type. I was convinced by an opinion of long time Fulvia owner Chris Gawne. That was the fact that he has known rubber piping to develop unseen cracks that he has seen spray fuel, whereas although the plastic type hardens over time it never cracks. Looks nicer too.
My filter King came with a bracket that is ideal for mounting where suggested.
Personally I still like the belt and Braces of the priming pump if ever the mechanical pump fails, as a matter of interest my pump isn't a Facet, and it is also fitted adjacent to the fuel tank.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 23 November, 2018, 08:50:48 PM
Here's mine which I think is a pretty typical set up for the pump. It's a Facet Silver Top. I haven't yet got around to fitting a Filter King but these tend to be mounted by drilling and bolting through the lip that overhangs above on the wheelarch box section. Since this photo was taken I have replaced all the piping with the original style green transparent type. I was convinced by an opinion of long time Fulvia owner Chris Gawne. That was the fact that he has known rubber piping to develop unseen cracks that he has seen spray fuel, whereas although the plastic type hardens over time it never cracks. Looks nicer too.

Perfect, thatís really useful Stanley.  Many thanks

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 23 November, 2018, 08:52:42 PM
Here's mine which I think is a pretty typical set up for the pump. It's a Facet Silver Top. I haven't yet got around to fitting a Filter King but these tend to be mounted by drilling and bolting through the lip that overhangs above on the wheelarch box section. Since this photo was taken I have replaced all the piping with the original style green transparent type. I was convinced by an opinion of long time Fulvia owner Chris Gawne. That was the fact that he has known rubber piping to develop unseen cracks that he has seen spray fuel, whereas although the plastic type hardens over time it never cracks. Looks nicer too.
My filter King came with a bracket that is ideal for mounting where suggested.
Personally I still like the belt and Braces of the priming pump if ever the mechanical pump fails, as a matter of interest my pump isn't a Facet, and it is also fitted adjacent to the fuel tank.
Brian
8227  8)

Thanks Brian, was there a particular reason for mounting in that location, avoiding heat etc?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 24 November, 2018, 01:19:40 AM
Here's mine which I think is a pretty typical set up for the pump. It's a Facet Silver Top. I haven't yet got around to fitting a Filter King but these tend to be mounted by drilling and bolting through the lip that overhangs above on the wheelarch box section. Since this photo was taken I have replaced all the piping with the original style green transparent type. I was convinced by an opinion of long time Fulvia owner Chris Gawne. That was the fact that he has known rubber piping to develop unseen cracks that he has seen spray fuel, whereas although the plastic type hardens over time it never cracks. Looks nicer too.
My filter King came with a bracket that is ideal for mounting where suggested.
Personally I still like the belt and Braces of the priming pump if ever the mechanical pump fails, as a matter of interest my pump isn't a Facet, and it is also fitted adjacent to the fuel tank.
Brian
8227  8)

Thanks Brian, was there a particular reason for mounting in that location, avoiding heat etc?
No particular reason as far as I'm aware, I just asked the people who look after Fay for me to fit one.
I'm not even sure what make it is, but it's been fitted over 10 years now and it's never missed a beat, at least not up to now!
Filter King was fitted mainly because of the rubbish I was still getting through from the tank at the time, previously I had one of the chrome and glass inline filters, but it had a habit of persistently undoing itself and spraying petrol about!
Brian
8227 8)


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: lancialulu on 24 November, 2018, 07:27:06 AM
Some electric pumps are described as pushers and some as pullers. I think the Facet type (both the cube style used mostly for priming/backup, and the type like Stan has fitted) are described as pushers and are optimum near the source of fuel hence fitted in the boot but I have fitted both types to a lot of Lancias in the engine bay and so long as the head it trying to pull is not more than 30cm it works fine. The bonus is you can hear the pump  work and pull fuel through if using it for priming so when its beat slows down you are good to go. While it has been stated that plumbing in is in parallel to the mechanical pump I prefer serial so fuel filter before the electric pump before the mech pump. If using a silver top style Facet instead of mechanical then as it has its own fuel filter in its base I fit a filter king to provide secondary filterering and pressure regulation between the pump and carbs.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 24 November, 2018, 07:19:28 PM
Brilliant, thanks Tim, this is such useful advice. One of the reasons for trying to eliminate as many potential issues as possible is that my lovely wife has decided the car is so pretty she might like to use it. I want it to work without fuss.  I am grateful for all of your comments regarding the reliability of points and the mechanical pump, but each can have issues and there are simple effective ways of eliminating them without changing the character of this beautiful car. 

Thank you again

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: SanRemo78 on 24 November, 2018, 10:59:58 PM
And that's why I've stopped using stainless steel braided hose on the Stratos replica, especially under the higher pressures an electric fuel pump can generate. Having seen the atomisation a split pipe causes when it sprays through the braided hose. I'd always recommend using the latest fuel injection hose whatever system you have, it'll be resistant to unleaded fuels and will last.
Guy


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: lancialulu on 25 November, 2018, 06:35:55 AM
And that's why I've stopped using stainless steel braided hose on the Stratos replica, especially under the higher pressures an electric fuel pump can generate. Having seen the atomisation a split pipe causes when it sprays through the braided hose. I'd always recommend using the latest fuel injection hose whatever system you have, it'll be resistant to unleaded fuels and will last.
Guy

Good point but just to clarify a carb pump is at 3psi and an injection pump is at 10bar. Avoid the cloth braided hoses as well.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 25 November, 2018, 08:21:13 AM
Thank you and good point about the ethanol issue.  Is suppose I should replace the fuel line end to end with modern material to resist the ethanol.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: chriswgawne on 25 November, 2018, 08:53:50 AM
As Tim suggested, I avoid any cloth braided rubber fuel hose these days as this is what I have had a couple of problems with. I have thrown away all my unuised cloth braided fuel hose as well. The cloth braiding disguises the degradation of the rubber hose but when it goes, the fuel spray travels far and wide. Very dangerous.
Chris


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: stanley sweet on 26 November, 2018, 10:14:37 AM
Ian, as you're trying to 'future proof' your Fulvia you might want to look at this post I put on the forum some time ago. I can't claim any credit as I was following an article by Neale Shepherd in VL. But it is something that's simple to do and gives you peace of mind.....


http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9972.0


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: Jaydub on 26 November, 2018, 05:01:52 PM
Vehicle Wiring Products are one of the suppliers selling "CODAN 3133 SAE J30 R9 " E10 rated Ethanol resistant fuel hose. Rated at 10 BAR pressure. It`s not cheap at £16.00 per metre inc. vat & delivery, but supposed to last 25 years and cheaper than a fire!


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 26 November, 2018, 08:56:36 PM
Vehicle Wiring Products are one of the suppliers selling "CODAN 3133 SAE J30 R9 " E10 rated Ethanol resistant fuel hose. Rated at 10 BAR pressure. It`s not cheap at £16.00 per metre inc. vat & delivery, but supposed to last 25 years and cheaper than a fire!
Thank you.  Has anyone replaced the fuel lines end to end and have comments on how easy this is.  Anyone using the Millers additive to counter the Ethanol issue?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 26 November, 2018, 09:01:06 PM
Ian, as you're trying to 'future proof' your Fulvia you might want to look at this post I put on the forum some time ago. I can't claim any credit as I was following an article by Neale Shepherd in VL. But it is something that's simple to do and gives you peace of mind.....


http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9972.0
Thanks Stanley, that's a worthwhile read and a job to add to the list but to be done earlier than some of the others.

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: stanley sweet on 26 November, 2018, 09:38:37 PM
I use Millers VSP. Used to use Castrol Valvemaster Plus but can't get that here in France. My UK stash ran out in 2013 so been using Millers for 5 years.  Apart from valve protection they claim it counteracts ethanol problems. So far no evidence of any problems in the fuel system. You could still take the belt and braces approach and use the piping mentioned too.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: lancialulu on 27 November, 2018, 08:04:55 AM
Just to add the original Cavis plastic (blue) pipe is resistant although it loses it flexibility over time (it did anyway with ordinary fuel). But dont use similar as those are not resistant .


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 27 November, 2018, 06:13:31 PM
Stanley, Tim, thank you.  I guess that as the car has not been started for 17 years it wonít have had any ethanol fuel in its system.  I will start by drawing the tank, removing and flushing and the re-fit.  Whilst it is off itís probably worth seeing how easy it is to replace the fuel lines.  Does anyone area schematic showing the layout of the fuel lines, or has anyone replaced these lines (assume feed and return?)?

Thank you again

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: lancialulu on 27 November, 2018, 06:24:08 PM
Ian

You should acquire a parts catalogue (a cd  can be had from http://www.viva-lancia.com/specials/cd/fulvia-cd.php or elsewhere but be careful of choosing the correct cd(s) for your car) as these give all the schematics and more...


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 28 November, 2018, 05:42:50 AM
Thatís useful, thanks Tim.  I have the workshop manual but wasnít aware there was a parts catalogue.  On order!


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 02 December, 2018, 08:33:43 PM
Ok your responses have helped hugely so far, thank you all.  One question/problem as yet unresolved relates to the rear bumper and the fact that one of the mounting brackets has rusted away and the other isnít too good.
It seeems this may be fairly common so I wondered if anyone knew of a fix, new brackets etc?

Thank you

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: D5177_55A on 03 December, 2018, 06:35:28 PM
I had the same problem, on the rear nearside brackets, so I drew up a profile in Illustrator and sent the files off to be lasercut. Had 4 off made, in stainless steel and then took them to a local welder who welded all 4 on (I ground off the offside ones). The only problem then was a bit of blueing and the inevitable Ďused lookí,so... I had them polished (which was expensive!).

Feel free to use them. Any laser cutting place can do them, The pdfs are for reference, the .ai & .dwg files would be what the lasercut people need to load into their computer; so Iíd supply it all.

[EDIT: Iíve not been able to upload the crucial .ai & .dwg files, so if you could PM me Iíll send you them] {EDITED AGAIN: Sent them via email}

Stephen


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 03 December, 2018, 09:44:29 PM
Thanks for this Stephen.  Was there a particular reason for designing them in a different shape to the originals, was it due to the thickness of the stainless?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: D5177_55A on 03 December, 2018, 10:04:00 PM
No. As I remember that was the shape that was already there. Mineís a Series 3.

What I normally do is a mock-up; print out a paper copy, stick it to some fairly hefty cardboard, and trial fit it.

One other thing to budget for, is a replacement rubbing strip. Those M6 bolts are usually corroded solid and heating them only loosens the other end of the bolt moulded into the plastic type rubber.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 04 December, 2018, 09:16:01 PM
Thanks Stephen


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: deeyesbee on 22 December, 2018, 10:18:28 PM
Hi IanC

I've just fitted a 123 electronic distributor to my berlina and it was straightforward and the results are good - smoother tickover and acceleration. I got it from Huib here http://www.viva-lancia.com/

Re the brake reservoir yes there's a rubber seal e.g. https://www.google.com/search?q=fulvia+master+cylinder+rubber+seal&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=2KDlDE2aasEb9M%253A%252CEPuYzmVRZI-I6M%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQO-VaKlKvS7QR17zUwcUQEUUw7Ag&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiRlLX2urTfAhUISxUIHcQZDEkQ9QEwA3oECAUQCA#imgrc=2KDlDE2aasEb9M:   

I've bought one from Omicron - they will know what's what

Cheers

David


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 23 December, 2018, 05:34:26 PM
Thanks David, thatís useful to know as this was the one I was considering.  I assume buying the 123 from Holland was more cost effective than UK or is there no UK supplier?  Was there anything else you were advised to buy with it, plug leads etc?
Thank you also for the advice on the seal.

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: Fulviaclassics on 23 December, 2018, 05:38:37 PM
Ian, was this car in Kent?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 23 December, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
No, it was in Buckingham in a garage in the centre which apparently was a Lancia dealer.  I understand they took the car in part ex against a new Dedra in 1989 and kept it.  It was parked in the showroom in 2001 and didnít move until I bought it this year. 


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: stanley sweet on 23 December, 2018, 07:53:37 PM
There's a Fulvia site here in France - www.pieces-fulvia.com which a few people here have used including myself. They recommend uprated leads and coil with the 123 distributor.  Take a look, it's all in English. Well, Google English.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 23 December, 2018, 11:40:36 PM
No, it was in Buckingham in a garage in the centre which apparently was a Lancia dealer.  I understand they took the car in part ex against a new Dedra in 1989 and kept it.  It was parked in the showroom in 2001 and didnít move until I bought it this year. 
Wish I'd known as the Lancia Dealers son is  friend of mine🙄
I shall have to ask him if he knew it was there?
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 24 December, 2018, 11:57:37 AM
That will be John then?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 24 December, 2018, 01:40:19 PM
That will be John then?
No Mike.!


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: frankxhv773t on 24 December, 2018, 06:16:38 PM
The Buckingham Lancia dealer was in Bridge Street just south of the river and is now W Ganderton & Son with a Pace filling station.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 24 December, 2018, 08:26:24 PM
The Buckingham Lancia dealer was in Bridge Street just south of the river and is now W Ganderton & Son with a Pace filling station.
I have a headed note pad Mike gave me, as soon as I see him I'll ask him if remembers your Fulvia.
Brian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 24 December, 2018, 09:58:35 PM
W Ganderton indeed and the car even has a Ganderton Lancia dealer sticker in the rear window.  I thought I was dealing with the ownerís son, John.  It was him and his brother, not sure what his name was, running the place and this was only May this year.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 24 December, 2018, 09:59:32 PM
The Buckingham Lancia dealer was in Bridge Street just south of the river and is now W Ganderton & Son with a Pace filling station.
I have a headed note pad Mike gave me, as soon as I see him I'll ask him if remembers your Fulvia.
Brian
I hope he does as it apparently sat there for a while


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 25 December, 2018, 12:12:27 AM
W Ganderton indeed and the car even has a Ganderton Lancia dealer sticker in the rear window.  I thought I was dealing with the ownerís son, John.  It was him and his brother, not sure what his name was, running the place and this was only May this year.
I'll find out if Mike has a brother named John, perhaps it was a new owner trading as Ganderton's.
I shan't see him now until after Christmas, but I'll see what I can find out.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 27 December, 2018, 08:18:27 PM
Did Mike used to work in Motorsport race teams?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 27 December, 2018, 08:40:51 PM
Did Mike used to work in Motorsport race teams?
Don't know but I'll ask him as soon as I see him.


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 13 January, 2019, 11:09:47 PM
Ian,
I've just caught up with Mike and below is his reply that seems to answer all your questions, and clarify the situation!

"Brian all of the dates seem to stack up for me.
Iím part of the family but have had nothing to do with the garage since 1969 when I left home.
The business is now run by John (junior), and his brother Peter, (but brother John still is a partner).
I have nothing to do with motor sport now but up to last February Peter worked for Red Bull as left hand front wheel man in pit lane crew. His wife still works there on IT side.
Mike"
Hope that helps, and adds a little to your Fulvias History.
Brian
8227 8) 



Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 14 January, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
Thanks for confirming this Brian, at least it chimes with what I thought I knew.

Regards

Ian


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: IanC on 16 January, 2019, 08:27:38 PM
Thought I should add a picture of the car.  Nothing special, just very lovely!


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: stanley sweet on 16 January, 2019, 10:19:56 PM
About time too! Very nice. Why did I have an image of a white one in my head?


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: lancialulu on 16 January, 2019, 10:55:36 PM
Nice big barn too!


Title: Re: I finally have a Fulvia!
Post by: fay66 on 16 January, 2019, 11:07:30 PM
All Fulvia's are special!
Brian
8227  8)