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Model Technical and Interest => Ypsilon, Musa and Y10 => Topic started by: frankxhv773t on 08 August, 2018, 11:26:59 AM



Title: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 08 August, 2018, 11:26:59 AM
Following on from my thread on boot corner rust I am moving on to various other bits and pieces. Seat belts are on order to replace the jammed ones in the front and as I am in painting mode some of the other rough bits will get attention.


One persistent problem I have found with Y10s is breaking the lugs off the little round covers that hide the boot hinge bolts. I now count these covers as a "grab one whenever you can" item. To help preserve them I remove them from behing with a screw driver, as shown below, rather than trying to dig them out from the front.




Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 18 August, 2018, 10:36:27 AM
I am still waiting for replacement seatbelts to arrive. My first order resulted not in a pair of retractable 3 point seatbelts but a single child seat harness! Following a refund I have ordered some from elsewhere. Meanwhile as the car is in pieces I am doing other jobs. A long term problem has been that somewhere back in the mists of time the car has had a dent on the join between the driver's door and front wing such that the two panels scrape over each other when the door is opened. Multiple attempts over the years to massage them back into shape have failed through inaccessibility and the tight curvature of the panels. As I am painting the rear corners I decided it was time to get out a spare front wing, paint it up and fit it. The first job is to paint over the edges from the back to ensure complete coverage of the edges when I paint the outer surface. I have also been cleaning out the front inside of the rear arches ready for treatment with black waxoyle. This is an area which is worth revisiting every few years because of the rust traps. A particularly awkward bit is behind the fuel filler where various pipes trap mud in tight corners.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 September, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Does anyone have a recipe for stopping a bit of a tidy up turning into a major project?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: simonandjuliet on 03 September, 2018, 07:35:05 PM
I've never managed to find the correct button to press


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 04 September, 2018, 01:39:34 PM

If you are finding time and having fun.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: the.cern on 04 September, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
Does anyone have a recipe for stopping a bit of a tidy up turning into a major project?

That recipe does not exist so stop worrying!!! Just accept that you are in the same hole as the rest of us!!!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 September, 2018, 06:42:06 PM
Oh well. I'd better crack on then. Whilst we still have some reasonably warm and dry weather I must try to get some paint on. Today the rear quarter panels got masked and painted together with the replacement OSF wing.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 04 September, 2018, 09:11:36 PM

Would look good as a van.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 September, 2018, 09:47:29 PM
But I'd have to respray it again in Lancia Service livery.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: ben on 09 September, 2018, 10:24:15 AM
Sounds as tho you need one of my "that will do for now" pills.
I think I may be addicted to them!!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: nyssa7 on 10 September, 2018, 01:32:20 PM

Would look good as a van.
I always fancied making a little pick up truck from a Y10 😂


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 10 September, 2018, 04:15:34 PM

I looked at those clips again and wondered if it it could be 3D printed.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 10 September, 2018, 06:49:28 PM
This is not a wandering it is a full scale yomp...nice one  :)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 10 September, 2018, 08:53:43 PM
David, I think they would be perfect for 3D printing we just need a cheap 3D printer in the club.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 11 September, 2018, 10:11:39 AM

From another thread, where they were too expensive, https://www.shapeways.com

Do we have anyone who's able to 3D model in their sleep?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 25 September, 2018, 06:19:59 PM
I found some sound tailgate hinge covers in another spares cache, my last set so I shall have to look after them. I wasn't satisfied with my work on the front wing so at Brian's suggestion I went back to the start and used a high build primer on them. Things are progressing rather better now. I have also started cleaning up a spare door, to see if it better than the existing driver's door, using a new cleaning product I came across. Its' proving quite effective.




Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 27 September, 2018, 07:08:11 PM
I have got a coat of paint that I can live with on the spare front wing now but will put off fitting it till after getting an MOT. Unfortunately having got front seat belts that work and re-assembled everything the ignition has decided not to provide a spark. How we love our Lancias. There seems to be power everywhere there should be in the low tension circuits so I will have to hunt out a spare ignition module and try that.


The tailgate hinge covers are painted and fitted and after cutting and polishing the panel they fit into the colour match isn't too bad.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 27 September, 2018, 09:19:43 PM

What was the solution for the seatbelts? 


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 29 September, 2018, 08:41:34 PM
David, I bought new ones on-line. They were universal fit from a campervan conversion supplier. Slight modification to the mounting was needed because they assumed a locating pin hole where the Y10 needs a short slot. Ten minutes with a file sorted that out.

My ignition problem seems to just have been a bad earth to the body of the distributor under the ignition module. On removing the old module I decided the contact point could use some cleaning up. Starting was pretty much instant with the new module but I thought I'd just double check the old one before throwing it away. Surprise, surprise, it worked fine so I have left it in situ and put the new one back in store with my NOS distributor.

Of course Lancias being Lancias the screen washer decided not to work. Again taking everything apart and cleaning the contacts proved to be the solution. However getting the washer bottle out is a real pain because the wires are so short. Even unbolting the washer bottle you can't really move it far enough to get a hand underneath to disconnect the wiring. I spliced an extra six inches into the three cables whilst I had it out so things will be much easier in the future.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 01 October, 2018, 07:27:40 PM
Loving your never say die attitude to Lancia living, at least you'll soon have sorted through everything!

Seriously tempted to try and find a Y10 as a daily driver, if there's enough left.

I hate the way modern cars are going with auto lights/wipers/handbrake etc.....like we don't know when it's dark  ???

My current '05 Alfa GT daily is just about as new as I'm gonna go.

Need Lancia more back in my life though  ;)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: stanley sweet on 03 October, 2018, 10:59:21 AM
Not sure how 'auto' modern cars wipe but I love the auto setting on my Lybra. Wipes like mad in heavy rain then gradually wipes at various intermittent rates. Best of all is when the rain stops and I forget to switch them off. A big truck comes towards me in a big cloud of spray and ......wipe. Luxury. I never buy new cars so am always 20 years behind in technology.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 October, 2018, 04:17:39 PM
Well I got an MOT but it is alarming how dreadful the brakes can be and still get through the test. I have no intention of risking my life on the road with them that bad so the wheels are off again and the Y10 is up on axle stands for sorting out. Of course there's always one nut that won't come undone. No amount of penetrating oil, hammer tapping, heating or force would shift it so I resorted to the angle grinder on the basis that I would get more grip on the remains once the drum was off. I was surprised that with the drum off it unscrewed perfectly easily so it must have been rusted solid into the drum not the hub. The front callipers have been exercised to free them up but the retainers for the rear shoes are so grotty that I have ordered a new brake shoe fitting kit. At this rate I won't have to pay for road tax till November.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 February, 2020, 10:06:29 PM
My Y10 is still alive but I am still only getting very limited access to the forum.I an trying this on .my phone using mobile data in the pub at the Hertz and Beds monthly meeting. Yesterday I got another year's MOT after a fairly extensive front suspension overhaul. The big thing though was the brakes. The rear flexi hose may have been from 1987! Replacing it involved removing the rear axle but that is only half a dozen bolts.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 06 February, 2020, 05:39:16 PM
Hi Frank
Any pictures? I will be venturing under there soon
Clarkey


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 07 February, 2020, 12:48:20 AM
The system doesn't seem to like me posting pictures but here's an attempt.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 07 February, 2020, 07:01:55 PM
The system doesn't seem to like me posting pictures but here's an attempt.
Looking good Frank. 👍
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 March, 2020, 11:54:48 PM
Today I got my Y10 onto its' newly refurbished alloy wheels for the Herts and Beds monthly meeting. I think these early style alloys rather suit it.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 04 March, 2020, 10:21:37 PM
Looks smart with those alloys Frank.
Are they the same as the early Delta ones?
Style if not size..


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 04 March, 2020, 11:22:40 PM
The system doesn't seem to like me posting pictures but here's an attempt.
Looking good Frank. 👍
Brian
8227  8)
Just realised you have the later rear suspension different from early Y10's.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 12 March, 2020, 08:29:18 PM
Kevin, the wheels are the same as early Delta and Prisma and I suspect the same size too. Brian, that's interesting because I thought all Y10 rear suspension was the same. How did it change?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 23 March, 2020, 11:29:16 PM
My wife says I am socially isolated naturally but with the excuse of keeping my distance from the family I am reverting to standard springs. I was given a set of new, unused Panda performance springs so I have tried them for a while to see what they did for the handling. The main effect is to completely ruin the ride! As usual, Lancia knows best.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 May, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
Work continues on my Y10 but the time out on my sessions means I don't usually get past reading and commenting on new posts. I've been tidying up my doors but things are getting out of hand. I seem to have less and less Y10 every day. A water leak from the bottom hose got me pulling the radiator out so I decided I might as well pull off the front panel to give free access to tidying up the paint on the front wings.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 28 May, 2020, 10:12:03 AM
Those springs look pretty unyielding!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 28 May, 2020, 04:49:51 PM
Those springs look pretty unyielding!
Don't charge through any ford's with the air intake that low!
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 May, 2020, 06:33:28 PM
It's actually back on standard springs as of a couple of months ago. However I think the "stance" you are noticing is because the front is up on axle stands so I could get at the lower bumper bolts. Axle stands aren't noted for their compliance!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 June, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
Something to look out on a Y10 and possibly other models of the same age is the clips holding the heater control cables in place under the bonnet. One of mine had degraded and snapped off so I couldn't shut off the air flow. My spares turned out to be splitting as well but this one will have to do for the time being.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 06 June, 2020, 06:43:31 PM
Another bit that goes wrong on a Y10 is the surround for the headlight and front indicator unit. These push on from the back before the assembly is bolted into place but they tend to creep back and disappear at the inboard edge. I have taken to putting a small self tapping screw in underneath the inboard end next to the radiator grille which successfully keeps everything in place.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 07 July, 2020, 04:13:52 PM
Being in lockdown things have got a bit out of hand so repainting the doors has grown into a general paint tidy up. It won't win any prizes for the finish but at least all the panels are the same shade of red now. All work has been done outside, under trees and subject to the attentions of errant insects. It will "look good as you come up on it" as they say but definitely less good on closer inspection. But for less than £100 in materials it will do.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 07 July, 2020, 07:57:27 PM
Looking tidy Frank, very smart indeed.
The smell of fresh paint is way too attractive for bugs isn't it, very annoying!
One thing that puzzled me on mine, and reminded me on looking at yours with the radiator out, what's the round black plastic thing on the top of the front cross member for?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 08 July, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
As far as I can ascertain it is a specially designed module produced by Lancia to confuse the hell out of us all. It's been discussed before and nobody came up with any answers. My favourite possibility is hat it is a secret bug hotel.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 08 July, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
As far as I can ascertain it is a specially designed module produced by Lancia to confuse the hell out of us all. It's been discussed before and nobody came up with any answers. My favourite possibility is hat it is a secret bug hotel.
If I remember rightly from my Y10 days its something to do with impact to the front bumper, I'll see if the body workshop manual has any clues.
Brian
8227
 8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 09 July, 2020, 10:24:14 AM
That would seem logical Brian.

The caps over the boot hinge bolts didn't survive the compounding so they have gone back for fresh paint after being carefully removed in the approved manner to avoid snapping the vulnerable mounting clips.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 09 July, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Whilst I'm doing lots of jobs I thought I'd fit the tow bar I got from Ben Courage (ex My Little Pony). Being able to tow a light trailer will allow me to avoid carrying mucky things inside the car. I haven't worried up to now as the interior isn't very good but I may find a better one sometime.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 18 July, 2020, 07:18:08 PM
I've been doing the fitting back up after paint. I was interested to notice that after 35 years the door window weather strips have shrunk by about an inch.



Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 18 July, 2020, 09:07:41 PM
Amazing how much they shrink isn't it, anything black and rubberised eventually creeps down in size


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 July, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
I have decided the Y10 is now looking respectable enough to fit some new old stock parts I have accumulated to which end a new grille has been polished up and fitted. My rear bumper brackets will need refurbishing before I fit the new rear bumper that has been in store.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 21 July, 2020, 06:30:44 PM
The back bumper went together today with its repainted brackets. The side fittings didn't want to stay in place and kept dropping out as I tried to fit it so a bit of old inner tube came into play to persuade them to stay put.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 21 July, 2020, 07:47:24 PM
Good job done there, my own cars' rear bumper brackets were in poor condition too so they're being attended to.
Car is coming together nicely now.
On the bumpers Frank do you know anywhere that sells the fixings? The M8 bolts but with flat square heads to fit in the slots, I had to chop a few of mine off as were seized and just turning the plastic. Was going to make some but maybe they are readily available? Strangely enough I found 2 or 3 new ones under the carpet!


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 22 July, 2020, 02:14:44 PM
I'm afraid I haven't looked for supplies of bumper bolts. I dealt with corroded ones by grinding the sides off the nuts so as to preserve the thread on the bolts.

If you were to make some up I would suggest increasing the size of the square head so they fit more tightly in the retaining slots. i have greased mine liberally on reassembly in the hope that they will be removable in the future.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 22 July, 2020, 06:59:57 PM
Kevin do you have a photo  of what you are looking for.
I have a  box of Y10 bits and pieces.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 22 July, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
It's these Bryan, I should have taken a little more care as Frank did but assumed I'd be able to fit new bolts, not noticing until after that they had square heads.
Fairly simple to make some using some 3 or 4mm thick steel and as Frank rightly suggests, a little bigger in width would be benifical.
These measure 20mm x 20mm square heads with approx 16mm available thread.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 22 July, 2020, 11:07:42 PM
The ones on mine are an even simpler design.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 23 July, 2020, 06:57:45 PM
Sounds like Brian has come through with some  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 24 July, 2020, 11:37:03 AM
I can provide some too if needed but I do think there is merit in making something that is a slightly tighter fit.

My rear lights are fitted up. The weakness of the plastic lens retaining screws are an ongoing problem which will be familiar to Delta and Prisma owners too. I bought some replacements a few years ago but they weren't genuine parts and fell to bits as soon as I tried to fit them. Attempts to mend them with various glues has not proved a workable solution but as the car is now getting tidy enough to warrant fitting new old stock parts I have dug out my set of brand new rear lights which, of course, have brand new screws in them. Hopefully they will last a few years before they biodegrade.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 24 July, 2020, 11:59:45 AM

I've nothing particular to add - but thought I must say how much I'm enjoying the saga and the insights and seeing this level of attention on a Y10.  Can't wait to see it...


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 24 July, 2020, 08:50:49 PM
Those rear lens screws are a pain aren't they, fairly sure my integrale has some stainless screws in place of the plastic headed ones, but that could be in my spare light units  ???
Interesting the "new" ones weren't much cop, guessing they were the ones listed on ebay recently? I was tempted to get a set just to have as spares, glad I didn't on hearing that.
Wonder how hard it is to make some? A mould could be made using a screwdriver and some suitable sleeve...

I too am looking forward to a Y10 meet up at some point  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 25 July, 2020, 06:20:25 PM
The screws I bought were quite a few years ago and I think they came from Portugal. Given that I believe someone went to the trouble of manufacturing some and they failed straight out of the packet I have a feeling they are not as easy to make as it looks. There is precious little metal for the plastic head to grip onto and plenty of torque from a screw driver if they don't want to budge. I made sure I pushed the lens very firmly into place as I did up the screws so the head wasn't taking much load.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 28 July, 2020, 10:10:08 PM
Not one of my better days.

My tailgate is rotted out at the bottom so I dug out the decent spare to clean up and paint. There were a few patches of surface rust caused by scratches through the paint which needed rubbing down before rust treatment. One of these had crept under the window seal so I set too to prise the external window trim off so as to deal with it properly. Unfortunately I got a bit too energetic and "Pop", no more back window!

I now have one good tailgate with no window and two poor ones with sound windows securely bonded in place. Do I dare try to remove a window to fit in the good tailgate or do I try to patch up a poorer tailgate with a window in? Decisions, decisions.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 28 July, 2020, 10:19:47 PM
Ouch, that's a shame Frank. .
Bit of a conundrum.
Depends if a tailgate glass is available.
If so I'd go for carefully Trying to remove the rear window, and certainly be inclined to use the good tailgate.
Can you try cutting through the bonding with a cheese wire? tedious I know but worth it if you can remove the glass.
I'd also to try to soften up the trim you were trying to remove first, with a bit of heat to soften it up.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 29 July, 2020, 08:06:27 PM
Damn, that's annoying to say the least.
My own hatch will need the glass removing too I think, getting one of those craft knifes with the long extendable blade slid down the side was my plan, loosen the sealant from inside and outside.
Trouble is the toughened glass isn't as forgiving as the laminated front 'screen....got me wondering if I ought to leave well alone if at all possible.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 30 July, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
You can get a Stanley knife down the straight bits easily enough but the corners are a real problem. The mastic really builds up there and is very difficult to get to. A long craft knife blade would probably just snap because a lot of force is needed to get through the mastic. Brian's idea about a cheese wire is probably the solution. I was trying to shift the trim to get into the corners when it all went pear shaped.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: eog on 31 July, 2020, 11:36:28 AM
Just a thought but a hot air gun may help. Using old screen establish melting point of screen bonding  material.
Then perhaps with cheese wire or thin blade work your way around screen.

I seem to recall when these screens were fitted, the mastic contained a copper wire that conducted electric current to soften bonding material.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 31 July, 2020, 07:32:03 PM
A bit of heat to soften the bonding agent is a good call  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: peteracs on 31 July, 2020, 10:18:41 PM
I seem to recall when these screens were fitted, the mastic contained a copper wire that conducted electric current to soften bonding material.

Did they still use that system on screens for the Y10? I know the Beta screens used it and makes them a real pain to get out.

Peter


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 01 August, 2020, 10:32:58 AM
The one I am working on is certainly bonded but I have what appears to be a rear screen rubber so possibly they changed it at some point. I am going to investigate further but it's too hot to work outside at the moment and I have been hiding indoors in the cool proof reading a booklet for someone.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 01 August, 2020, 10:45:26 AM
The one I am working on is certainly bonded but I have what appears to be a rear screen rubber so possibly they changed it at some point. I am going to investigate further but it's too hot to work outside at the moment and I have been hiding indoors in the cool proof reading a booklet for someone.
Real odd but both of my Y10's had the bonding and the Rubber, and I'm sure the manual and the  parts list show this.
About 2005 I had what must have been the last of new/old stock tailgates, that David Melluish unearthed from somewhere fitted to my Gtie to replace a rotten tailgate, and I had to purchase the rubber, but it went back in only with the rubber and mastic.
Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 01 August, 2020, 07:22:05 PM
Thanks Brian. Mine is bonded but has (had) an external trim that looks like a screen rubber. I'll know more when I get back on it.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 01 August, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
Sure I read somewhere that they have a rubber seal fitted to the glass which becomes the visual outer seal but bonded in, is a strange mishmash of methods. Guess it saves having to have clips in the bonder like on early alfa suds which were needed for the stainless trim to clip into.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: nyssa7 on 02 August, 2020, 09:19:36 AM
I do have a rear screen sat in my garage if any help


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 03 August, 2020, 09:20:42 AM
I might have to pay you a visit. Did you get my reply to your e-mail about the seats? Some better alcantara rear side trim panels could be useful If you have any.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: nyssa7 on 04 August, 2020, 07:23:18 AM
Didnít see your reply 🙀 I donít have the rear panels alas


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 August, 2020, 09:24:50 AM
I've found it now Trevor, thanks.

I think the issue with fixing back seats probably relates to the upper locking pins. On all my "E" Reg cars the pins have screwed directly into the body but on the Touring I harvested parts from at Bun Courage's the pins were on a metal plate and it was the plate that attached to the body with multiple bolts.



Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 August, 2020, 06:08:28 PM
I've decided I need to get the Y10 back on the road so I'm going to stabilise the old tailgate for the moment to allow more time to build a good one.

Slightly alarmingly the better tailgate I have started preparing even had rust deep under the mastic attaching the rear window which seems to have crept through from the other side where the inner and outer panels are folded together.

On the old tailgate I'm trying an old trick of pushing a wire under the screen rubber to raise it up so I can get paint to spray slightly underneath it and avoid a visible join.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 08 August, 2020, 07:54:18 PM
Seats are an issue for me. The top outer edge of my front seats have worn and faded over the years and are really no longer presentable. I had hoped to keep the car standard but the chances of getting better seats from an un restorable car are pretty much nil. I have therefore girded my loins and taken up Trevor on his offer of some alcantara seats. They need work because of the usual bobbling, the metalwork underneath and on the frame is lightly rusted and the main back seat has some holes.

I have started by using my trusty "bobble buster" to give the seats a shave and it has proved reasonably successful. As an experiment I have saved a bag of shavings in the hope that I may be able to do something with them to plug the holes. The alternative is to snip some tiny bits of alcantara from underneath to make patches. Has anyone got experience of attempting this?


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 09 August, 2020, 08:26:41 PM
Looking good Frank!
Clarkey


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 09 August, 2020, 08:45:05 PM
Liking the Alcantara seats Frank, very nice  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 17 August, 2020, 11:49:32 AM
It has always bugged me that the Y10 Fire LX has a bulb holder and switch for an interior light in the boot but no wiring to it. While the rear side trim panels are off for a clean up O thought I'd run a wire to it from the passenger door courtesy light switch to see if I can make it work. Murphey's law probably dictates that Lancia deleted this feature for some sound reason but if you don't give it a try you don't find out.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 17 August, 2020, 10:02:05 PM
Well the boot light has defeated me for the moment. The spare contact doesn't seem to feed the live side of the bulb socket so more investigation will be needed.

On the positive side it always amazes me how well alcantara cleans up. It looks like it should be a nightmare but a bit of carpet shampoo brings it up light new.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: DavidLaver on 18 August, 2020, 07:01:51 AM

That bulb WILL light - and you'll have a very subtle custom Y10.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 18 August, 2020, 06:46:56 PM
Impressed with the cleaned up Alcantara Frank there is hope for my bits of Alcantara trim after all. Must check out if I have a boot light ain't seen one in there.
Clarkey


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: lancianut666 on 18 August, 2020, 06:52:11 PM
Just a thought on the boot lamp ...does it work when the lights are on? so the 12v feed would come from the rear light cluster possibly?
Clarkey


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 18 August, 2020, 10:13:49 PM
Just a thought on the boot lamp ...does it work when the lights are on? so the 12v feed would come from the rear light cluster possibly?
Clarkey

I've a feeling my Delta works like that....boot light only works with lights on, or was that the AlfaSud?  ???

Either way it sounds familiar..


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 18 August, 2020, 10:22:48 PM
Scrub that, just been out and checked.
Delta does indeed need the sidelights to be on but there's no traditional activation switch, you need to twist the light fitting to get the light to come on. Similar, but not the same...


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 19 August, 2020, 01:10:14 PM
At the start I said there is no wiring for a boot light on a Fire LX so whether the side lights are on or not doesn't affect what I am doing. The live feed I have put in is taken from the passenger door courtesy light so should now work when any door is open. One side of the bulb holder has has continuity to a connector that I take to be an earth but the other side of the socket can't be traced to anything. Common sense suggests that I stop fiddling about and get out the workshop manual to see if there is a wiring diagram that shows a boot light.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 19 August, 2020, 01:13:20 PM
Whilst alcantara seems to scrub up really well I would advise being conservative with the detergent. Its capacity to shrug off dirt seems to be in inverse proportion to its capacity to hold on to soap. It took forever to rinse all the soap out of the first side I did. I used far less soap on the second.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 25 September, 2020, 07:25:57 PM
In between fighting seized brakes on the Flaminia I have got round to painting the exposed parts of the seat frames for the alcantara front seats. The base of the back seats will require more extensive work though unless I decide it's easier to move the covers on to my old seats.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 01 October, 2020, 08:53:16 AM
The back seats are finished and fitted. I'm rather pleased with the overall effect although patching the holes wasn't anywhere near as invisible as I had hoped.

As is always the way, I was just fitting the last bit when I realised the mounting point for the seat back latch was two centimetres lower on the new seat backs compared with the old ones. Whilst I had moved the upholstery on the seat bases onto my original frames, the frame is exposed and the originals were in more easily restorable condition, I didn't think I needed to bother with the seat backs. Of course I was wrong, so had to strip them down and move the upholstery over. It was quite straightforward requiring only new screw holes in the Alcantara to fit the latches. It does explain why Trevor said they had never seemed to fit properly when he had moved the Alcantara seats to a different car.

I was also interested to notice that the seat back retaining latches were of different construction between the two sets of seats. Unusually the later latches are of much better quality so they are the ones that went back on the car.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 01 October, 2020, 09:06:25 PM
Great work there Frank, amazing the subtle differences, great result though  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: nyssa7 on 02 October, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
Looking good Frank, you have more patience than me


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 02 October, 2020, 04:42:20 PM
The differences in seats keep coming. My original front seats are very different underneath. The under cushion support tends to cut into the foam  causing the seat to sag which is why I had sheets of hardboard inserted for extra support. The replacements have a metal seat pan which makes a world of difference. You sit "on" the seat rather than sinking "into" it. Even the screws to fit the escutcheon round the tilt release lever are different so the original short screws won't hold in the replacement seats.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Duncan23 on 04 October, 2020, 11:59:55 AM
That's looking good, and really interesting to see the differences between your previous seats and the new ones. What age car were your original seats from?
Mine feel quite saggy - I've not got them out yet, and the material is frayed on the drivers side, so I suspect I'll be looking for some more at some point (I assume the material is no longer available).


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 04 October, 2020, 12:52:17 PM
The seats with springs underneath are "E" reg 1987. I'm not sure what year the Alcantara ones came from. Maybe Trevor can advise. If you flip your seats up as if you were getting in the back then you should be able to see which type you have.

I found the wire and springs tended to cut into the foam making the seats saggy. I improved them by unclipping the back cover at the bottom and sliding pieces of hardboard in for extra support. You may be able to make it out in the picture. You can't get a piece in to cover the whole bottom in one go so I did a narrow bit in each side then a broader bit to fill in between them. Over time one of the side bits has shifted to the middle so If I did it again I would do something like using a bit of gaffer tape to stop the boards shifting.

If your seats are the grey and black chequered cloth I have saved the covers from the back seats which are largely unworn. My thinking being that there might be enough cloth to patch at least the base of a front seat. The centre and side bolsters have different cloth, the sides being a smaller cheque.

I haven't looked for new cloth but you never know what may be available from a professional trimmer. Alternately, if my old covers are of use to you they are available. I hate throwing away anything that might be useful. (Which is why I can barely move in my garage from 40 years of bits that might be useful one day!)

Here is a comparison of the old and new seats when only the passenger seat had been installed.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: nyssa7 on 05 October, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
The Alcantara seats came from a GTie, most likely a G reg


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: fay66 on 05 October, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
The seats with springs underneath are "E" reg 1987. I'm not sure what year the Alcantara ones came from. Maybe Trevor can advise. If you flip your seats up as if you were getting in the back then you should be able to see which type you have.

I found the wire and springs tended to cut into the foam making the seats saggy. I improved them by unclipping the back cover at the bottom and sliding pieces of hardboard in for extra support. You may be able to make it out in the picture. You can't get a piece in to cover the whole bottom in one go so I did a narrow bit in each side then a broader bit to fill in between them. Over time one of the side bits has shifted to the middle so If I did it again I would do something like using a bit of gaffer tape to stop the boards shifting.

If your seats are the grey and black chequered cloth I have saved the covers from the back seats which are largely unworn. My thinking being that there might be enough cloth to patch at least the base of a front seat. The centre and side bolsters have different cloth, the sides being a smaller cheque.

I haven't looked for new cloth but you never know what may be available from a professional trimmer. Alternately, if my old covers are of use to you they are available. I hate throwing away anything that might be useful. (Which is why I can barely move in my garage from 40 years of bits that might be useful one day!)

Here is a comparison of the old and new seats when only the passenger seat had been installed.
Frank,
If you can't get anything to match a common fix is to do the sides in leather or vinyl, they also wear better!
 Brian
8227  8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 05 October, 2020, 10:21:26 PM
Here's a picture of the boards I had inserted in the bottom of the seat. The two little ones go in first and are shifted to the sides then the larger one can slide in between them to stop them migrating back into the middle.

Here too is a picture of the rear seat covers in case they are useful to Duncan or Kevin, though I think Kevin's seats are pretty good.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 06 October, 2020, 10:30:01 PM
Yes, mine are in fine order so if they are useful to anyone then grab them, I'd happily have them so save them being binned though. 8)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Duncan23 on 07 October, 2020, 07:51:10 AM
Mine are this sort of stripey - I think that they are the original GTie seats from '93 (I've definitely seen pictures somewhere of another GTie with these), but LHD may mean different trims...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50255398492_22e10cca94_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jyU46N)IMG_20200822_131250 (https://flic.kr/p/2jyU46N) by duncancmartin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90461577@N00/), on Flickr
It's only the drivers seat that is damaged,  I'll get out and take a picture later (will also check under the base - your wooden solution sounds like a good idea if they are the spring sort).
Cheers
Duncan


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: nyssa7 on 08 October, 2020, 08:01:28 AM
Mine are this sort of stripey - I think that they are the original GTie seats from '93 (I've definitely seen pictures somewhere of another GTie with these), but LHD may mean different trims...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50255398492_22e10cca94_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jyU46N)IMG_20200822_131250 (https://flic.kr/p/2jyU46N) by duncancmartin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/90461577@N00/), on Flickr
It's only the drivers seat that is damaged,  I'll get out and take a picture later (will also check under the base - your wooden solution sounds like a good idea if they are the spring sort).
Cheers
Duncan
They are the EU market standard GTie seats. Lancia UK ordered alcantara as standard for the UK GTie


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Duncan23 on 08 October, 2020, 08:49:04 AM
They are the EU market standard GTie seats. Lancia UK ordered alcantara as standard for the UK GTie
Thanks for confirming that. At this rate returning to original would require most of the interior of another LHD GTie, so I think I'll have to forget that idea. Apologies for the thread diversion.  :)


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 19 January, 2021, 04:19:38 PM
Fingers crossed I'm back in action and have beaten the dreaded Forbidden 403 curse.

I've had intermittent problems with my ignition lock for a couple of years. Randomly the key declines to provide any electrical activity but over Christmas the steering lock jammed and the key wouldn't extract.

Replacement ignition locks are only about £25 so I decided to stick a new one on and live with having one key for the doors and another for the ignition.

Being a curious soul I took the old lock apart to see how it worked and noted the dried up grease in the switch mechanism.

When assembling it I found the main wiring connector kept slipping out which may have been the main problem in the first place. A quick cable tie sorted that out and things seem to be working again.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 19 January, 2021, 09:25:32 PM
Nice to tick another job off the "to do" list Frank, been a while since I've had to drill out those shear bolt mountings, seemed to be a regular thing back in the day.
Did you manage to use the new lock barrel and use your original key and tumbler set or get the whole original working OK? Always satisfying to take a mechanical part apart and fix it, not like these modern cars with immobilisers and keyless stupidity


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 20 January, 2021, 12:30:18 PM
I spoke too soon on the Forbidden 403 curse.

I couldn't get the barrel to come out of the new lock and didn't want to break anything by forcing it so I am going to live with two keys.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 20 January, 2021, 10:50:34 PM
Used to be the case of just pushing in a detent somewhere and with the key in place the tumblers align and the inner barrel could be removed, sure you already know this, may be interesting for others to know.
I've done this before with making keys fit locks they weren't actually cut for, shaving tumblers down to suit keys. Was often the only way with spares scarce, or expensive!  ;D


That 403 thing, way beyond my mediocre IT skills, but I have had that in the past but thankfully not for a while. No idea why, or how to prevent it of course..


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 26 February, 2021, 08:13:57 PM
I've been slow sorting out bits for the MOT. An inactive indicator side repeater was just a blown bulb but my washers, both front and back, had gone missing. This is specially annoying as I fitted shiny new pumps on both last summer.

I'm happy the stalk switch is OK having checked all that when replacing the ignition lock. The fuse is OK because the wipers, which are on the same fuse, work OK. The last check was for power at the pump connectors and that was OK too. That just left my new pumps as having packed up. They have the pump screwed to the motor, unlike the originals which were rivetted, so was able to take them apart to try and work out what was wrong.

The answer is that the washer fluid seems to have reacted with the rubber innards causing them to swell up and jam the impeller. I've never come across anything like that before but it is pretty nasty. I had one spare new pump to compare it with, the picture shows the difference. Thankfully the shiny new pumps were an act of vanity and I have a box of working spares that I can dip into. I decided not to risk the brand new spare going the same way as the last two.

Another point of note is that the rubber grommets that fit the pump into the washer bottle are prone to splitting. Two thirds of my spare pumps have unusable grommets so they are another thin to add to my list of items to salvage whenever possible.

The pictures show used and unused pumps, the make of pump and the make of washer fluid.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: frankxhv773t on 26 February, 2021, 08:20:01 PM
Regarding getting the lock barrel out you are quite right Kevin. In this case the barrel just wouldn't budge no matter how much I pressed in the detent. I might have a look at the old lock at the bench sometime to see if it was just me being feeble or whether it is truly stuck.


Title: Re: Y10 Wanderings
Post by: Kevinlincs on 26 February, 2021, 10:42:02 PM
That pump is nasty, surely they have cocked up on the rubber composition?
A year of use, new parts are getting worse aren't they. Shocking.