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Model Technical and Interest => Aurelia => Topic started by: impaw on 31 August, 2023, 06:03:21 AM



Title: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 31 August, 2023, 06:03:21 AM
Hello all,

I have acquired an Scintilla "Vertex" Magneto from an old gentleman in Norway.
He says its been used on an Aurelia racer back in the day.

Some lose wires etc. inside, but it looks tidy enough.
Does anybody here have any information or experience with the Scintilla?

IŽll upload some photos in the next post.
Best regards
Torstein


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 31 August, 2023, 06:05:47 AM
Some photos


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 31 August, 2023, 06:07:51 AM
The stamp on the body reads NV6 - 546335


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 August, 2023, 11:42:58 AM
How does it work and what does it replace?


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 31 August, 2023, 11:59:42 AM
I am very new to this, but as I understand it replaces the distributor & coil.
Its magneto creates a spark.
Can be a little bit harder to start, but once its up and running it goes forever!

And...it looks great, right?




Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: Richard Fridd on 31 August, 2023, 04:53:21 PM
Looks great yes, would it fit under a standard bonnet?
  Richard


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 31 August, 2023, 05:02:13 PM
Yes, I believe so.
The carb with air filter is slightly taller
We’ll see when I get the heads back from machining


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 01 September, 2023, 05:19:59 AM
Heres an Aurelia with a Scintilla Vertex

https://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=27472


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 01 September, 2023, 05:21:50 AM
and another one!



Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: frankxhv773t on 01 September, 2023, 11:22:29 AM
A magneto in an automotive application is also the distributor but it generates the current for the spark inside the unit itself so making it independent of the rest of the electrical systems in the car.


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: Tony Stephens on 01 September, 2023, 02:20:41 PM
I used Scintilla Vertex magnetos for most of the 20-odd years I was racing an ERA, but I must admit I used to get them serviced by an expert. Remember the "ignition" wiring will be different, as the single non-HT lead goes to an earthing switch to kill the mag, not a power switch to enliven it.
Specialists will overhaul them as they are still an ignition system of choice, especially on prewar cars and among the Historic racing fraternity. Big American V8 use ensures they are still manufactured in the USA by Ronco (blue plastic caps).
Very powerful spark,  assuming good condition. If you connect yourself inadvertently to the HT side you will be quite surprised at how high you jump.
I have got a Scintilla Vertex to fit to my Aprilia when it is done, as they were an aftermarket accessory when the cars were new, and could possibly be fitted as an option. And I like them. Oddly enough, the Aprilia advance curve is exactly the same as the Porsche 356 for which my mag was originally supplied.


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 01 September, 2023, 02:36:50 PM
Good information Tony, thank you!
Do you have contact information for any of the specialists?
I think I might need specialist help on this one:)


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: Tony Stephens on 01 September, 2023, 04:44:07 PM
I would go to Karl Kenney at Vintage Magnetos at Bicester Heritage

Address: Building 94, The Western Tanker Sheds, Bicester Heritage

Phone: 07474 027581

Email: rfuffa@aol.com

Website: https://twitter.com/vmagnetos?lang=en


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 01 September, 2023, 04:46:50 PM
Thank you Tony!


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: Richard Fridd on 01 September, 2023, 05:56:59 PM
Difficult starting? Presumably the coil ignition system overcame any disadvantages of a magneto.
  Also are these magnetos adjustable for differing applications and is a battery still necessary?
 
  Richard


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 03 September, 2023, 08:54:31 AM
A battery is needed for the starter motor and lights etc, but if you run a Racecar with no extras, you can do without a battery- start the engine with a crank handle 😎👍


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 06 September, 2023, 05:39:19 PM
I have not heard from Karl, but a company named Armoto has offered to have a look at the Magneto.
Have you had any experience with them Tony?

Regards
Torstein


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: Tony Stephens on 07 September, 2023, 02:39:26 PM
I  used them to repair the Bosch starter motor on my Lambda.

I did return it, but in fairness their work had been compromised by failing to understand my instructions not to fully restore it. When it came back the second time I was happy and it still works fine several years later.

Tony


Title: Re: Scintilla Vertex magneto
Post by: impaw on 07 September, 2023, 05:43:05 PM
Thank you Tony!